What are sources (in the poskim) that say l'chatchila one can daven shachrit until chatzos? (if there are)
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2Do you have any reason to think there are any? – Double AA Jan 01 '19 at 19:20
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Is "(in the poskim)" meant to exclude sources in the Talmud? – Alex Jan 01 '19 at 19:21
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1@Alex yes not in talmud – yosef lavi Jan 01 '19 at 19:23
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Related: https://judaism.stackexchange.com/q/59137/170 – msh210 Jan 01 '19 at 20:19
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1Yosef, it seems there's some confusion what you mean. Please [edit] to explicitly state the case of your question and what you want to know about it. – Double AA Jan 01 '19 at 22:37
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1@yoseflavi I think the issue is that we're not sure what you mean by "l'chatchila"; even with bolding the word we're still not sure what type of situation you're referring to. – Alex Jan 02 '19 at 00:43
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1IMO it is worth putting this on hold as unclear pending further edits, cc @Alex – Double AA Jan 02 '19 at 01:14
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@DoubleAA Agreed. – Alex Jan 02 '19 at 01:15
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1In the source of the malchokes itself between the chachamim and rebbi yehudah. We oaskon like rebbi yehudah who says tefillah is up to 4 hours and the chachamim who say until chatzos – Dude Jan 02 '19 at 13:02
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To the best of my knowledge I am not aware of any source L'chatchila. Here is the source for B'Dieved.
Orach Chaim 89:1 says that if one missed Davening Shacharis within the first four hours of the day they can B'Dieved Daven until Chatzos. Mishna Berura explains that this may be done even if it was intentional.
However one who Davens after the first four hours one should not say the Brachos of Kriyas Shema (Yotzer Or, Ahava Raba, Go'al Yisrael) Orach Chaim 58:6
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It's unclear what you mean by l'chatchila. For the purpose of this answer, I will assume you meant:
If I haven't davened yet, am I still permitted to daven?
One version in the Tur (OC 89) is understood by the Taz (OC 89:1), and Shulchan Aruch HaRav1 (OC 89:2) rules that way as well, that if one hasn't davened within the first four hours of the day, he may still daven "l'chatchila" until midday.
The Derech Chaim (28:2) writes this as well.
1 According to the footnotes there, the Bach also holds that way, but I didn't notice it when I skimmed through it.
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5“If I haven’t davened yet, am I still permitted to daven?” That sounds like bediavad to me. I would have thought that l’chatchila meant that you can deliberately choose (without any compelling reason) to not daven earlier. – Alex Jan 01 '19 at 22:30
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Does anyone disagree with the claim you've defended? The negation is something like: if you haven't davened by 4 hours just don't bother. – Double AA Jan 02 '19 at 00:31