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According to some poskim (see here), one should not skip parts of davening to say Shemoneh Esreh with the minyan, rather he should daven in order (this is unlike the ruling given in Shulchan Aruch (OC 52)).

According to this opinion, does the same apply to Mincha? If one were to come late to Mincha, should he say everything in order (possibly including Korbanot)?

  • Korbanot are usually said privately and I don't think they would be considered part of the tzibbur Mincha. So, I think that can be said out of order. That leaves just Ashrei. I think most people can say this quickly enough and still be able to join the tzibur in Amidah. – DanF May 24 '18 at 21:21
  • Opinion - you linked to an unsourced answer. Not that a letter from the Lubavitcher Rebbe zt"l isn't valuable, but, if we all had a link to that source, we may be able to see if the Rebbe's answer includes info about Mincha. With your question, here, relying on that unsourced answer, it seems weak. How do we know that that the answerer relayed that info correctly? – DanF May 24 '18 at 21:28
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    @DanF "Korbanot are usually said privately and I don't think they would be considered part of the tzibbur Mincha" I've never heard of tzibbur mincha vs. another type of mincha. Korbanot are a part of the order of prayer. || "you linked to an unsourced answer" I linked to a sourced comment. –  May 24 '18 at 22:53
  • In Kabbalistic thought, Korbanot come after Mincha anyway. Since the opinion that says you can't skip is also of Kabbalistic origin, probably you have a 'mima nafshakh' of sorts that you can skip it before. – Double AA May 24 '18 at 23:11
  • @DoubleAA that's interesting could you provide a source for where you saw that al pi kabala that korbanot come after mincha? thanks – Dude May 25 '18 at 01:12
  • @dude all the achronim on the shulchan aruch there quote the zohar youll see it – Double AA May 25 '18 at 01:13
  • Sorry about the link assumption. I must have scrolled. Re the "tzibbur mincha" idea, it's similar to the additional prayers that people say after Shacharit, such as parshat hamahn, 6 zechirot, etc. That's my understanding of the Korbanot at Mincha. I may be wrong about that, but, I have to hunt the source of where I saw this a while ago. – DanF May 25 '18 at 02:08
  • @danf also Ani Maamin, Alenu, Shir Shel Yom, Ledavid, etc. There lots of extra things people say after prayers. – Double AA May 25 '18 at 02:50
  • @DoubleAA Aleinu and Shir Shel Yom have an origin of having been said after Tefilla, which lead to the debate of where Kaddish Yatom should be said. I think today, most nuscha'ot would consider these two part of Shacharit, per se. – DanF May 25 '18 at 14:24
  • @DanF Maybe most people think of them that way because they are more popular than Ani Maamin, but their formal status hasn't changed. For the Halakhot of skipping, there's prayer and then there's extra stuff. – Double AA May 25 '18 at 14:26
  • Maybe I'm just a bit cynical, but when the Aruch Hashulchan brings down that one should skip Ashrei and Korbanos in order to Daven Minchah with the Tzibur, I feel like his wording is a bit more 'extreme' than usual (i.e. throwing out the Ikar for the Tafel, calling people who do so smpletons), which makes me think that there likely were a significant group of people who were missing Tefilla Betzibur due to Korbanos. – Salmononius2 May 30 '18 at 17:32

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