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Is one allowed to postpone a bris(bzmano) for the afternoon if ones parents or grandparents cannot make the bris for the morning. What is more important ,zrizim makdimin ( to peform the mitzvah as soon as one possibly can) or kibud av veim ( honoring ones parents). ?

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    Parents of the Nimol or of his father? – Double AA Oct 20 '16 at 13:14
  • the question is for both,thats why I wrote parents and grandparents – sam Oct 20 '16 at 13:30
  • I didn't know if you meant "parents and grandparents [of the father of the Nimol]" thereby excluding the parents of the Nimol. – Double AA Oct 20 '16 at 13:40
  • What is the hefsed if afternoon is also Bizmano? – kouty Oct 20 '16 at 13:45
  • whats the hefsed?! the gemara says zrizin makdimin mitzvos and many hold its a chov (obligation). – sam Oct 20 '16 at 14:08
  • So you can ask about make a brit after vasikin because the grand father pray 1 hour after nets – kouty Oct 20 '16 at 14:19
  • Not sure if you got the depth of double aa's point but if the father of the nimol isn't there, who's having this child circumcised and why? – user6591 Oct 20 '16 at 15:29
  • וכל היום כשר למילה אלא שזריזין מקדימי' למצוה ומלין מיד בבקר ואפי' מילה שלא בזמנה אינה אלא ביום: But maybe that when you can add other mitsvot e. g. Kibud Av or to cause a bit of nachas ruach to some family members this is not less mitsva than zrizim makdimim. I am not sure so tis is not an answer. – kouty Oct 20 '16 at 16:54
  • i understood doubleaa point,my question is for both because there are shittos who hold that the milah must be done even of father cannot be there – sam Oct 20 '16 at 17:08
  • @user6591 he could send a sliach perhaps, but then we'd have to contend with mitzva bo yoser mibeshlucho – Double AA Oct 20 '16 at 17:26
  • @Double for sure. But addressing that is a bigger (more explicit) issue. – user6591 Oct 20 '16 at 17:28
  • "there are shittos who hold that the milah must be done even of father cannot be there" Even if father will come the 8th day? – kouty Oct 20 '16 at 21:36

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See Bet Chadash Yore Dea siman 262:

אלא שזריזין מקדימין למצוה מיד בבוקר דהיינו משתנץ החמה וזהו שלא כתב שזריזין מקדימין למצוה מיד בעלות השחר אלא בבוקר שהוא לאחר עמוד השחר משתנץ החמה וכמ"ש בתחילה זמן המילה ביום שמנה דהיינו בבוקר שנקרא יום בלשון בני אדם כשתנץ החמה

But Zrizim makdimim concerns Henets Hachama.

If the father want to make it at Henets the question is relevant but not for a discussion concerning 10:00 or 13:00

The source is in Gemara Pesachim 4a:

דכתיב (ויקרא יב) וביום השמיני ימול בשר ערלתו ותניא כל היום כולו כשר למילה אלא שזריזין מקדימים למצות שנאמר (בראשית כב) וישכם אברהם בבקר ‏

Rashi:

וישכם אברהם בבקר שלא המתין עד הנץ החמה ומכל מקום בלילה לא הקדים:‏

In Hava Amina we see that Zrizim concerns the beginning of the day only, and in maskana the beginning of the time only. Concerning Avraham the beginning of the right time to g there is not a question of makdimim for a simple question of hours only. to peform the mitzvah as soon as one possibly can seems not to be a the exact case of zrizim makdimim.

If you see the Tosfot you can see how he try to explain in Hava Amina that they can go out at night. But in Maskana morning is obviously the first right time to go out.

The question is relevant in a case in which the father is really makpid to make mitsvot of day at Henets. And obviously the shikul is for the mitsva itself not for a combination of additional mitsvot together.

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