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For those that hold that Chabad are heretical in one way or another (see Rav Shach's speech, Rabbinical Council of America (1996) etc.), would a woman that was given a Get from their beis din require another get in order to remarry?

There are those that will not eat the wine or meat of a Lubavitcher etc.

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    A link to Rav Shach's speech would be excellent. – Shimon bM Mar 03 '15 at 01:38
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    Who holds Chabad in general to be heretical? – Daniel Mar 03 '15 at 02:20
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    wouldn't they hold the kiddushin is also problematic? – sam Mar 03 '15 at 03:07
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    @sam Depends who was Eidim at the wedding; it's not always the same people as the divorce. Even then it might still be worse then Reform weddings in terms of Daas Koneh with Eidei Yichud and Hein Hein. – Double AA Mar 03 '15 at 03:24
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    Can someone please link to the speech? – Moshe Mar 03 '15 at 16:31
  • @sam the kiddushin of the Cuthim is deemed valid but not their gerushin, just for a possibly similar example – warz3 Mar 03 '15 at 23:30
  • @Moshe i think this might be a clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npA5zeJfVjs – warz3 Mar 03 '15 at 23:32
  • And the source for the Rabbinical Council of America (1996) – hazoriz Mar 04 '15 at 00:11
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    It's certainly not all Chabad-Lubavitch. Even one who believes Rabbi Schneurson gets a second coming as Messiah, or isn't really dead, wouldn't be voided as a halachic witness. It's those who blur the line between Schneurson and God. – Shalom Mar 04 '15 at 00:26
  • @Shalom ASFAIK Rav Shach also said that if davening at a minyan where the Yechi song breaks out, its assur to remain in shul. It sounds to me that their beliefs IN GENERAL are assumed to be heretical, and thus MAY invalidate their eidus. If not, please paste sources. – warz3 Mar 06 '15 at 02:44
  • See these remarks qouted by shlomo Lorenzce a close confidant of Rav Shach: http://www.identifyingchabad.org/ravshach.html. here as well:http://chareidi.org/archives5766/eikev/olubvlornczekv66.htm – Shoel U'Meishiv Mar 10 '15 at 12:09
  • http://www.chabad-mafia.com/religion - a bit down the page, the claim that a get "done by Chabad are not recognized as valid by most Orthodox Jews." – Fei23 Aug 17 '17 at 01:02
  • anyone can claim to hold anything but whether their views themselves are valid is suspect especially when they claim wild things like chabad is heretical which has no basis in reality. Garbage like this is what keeps mashiach from coming. – Dude Jun 15 '18 at 00:24

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More about this here (with sources) and here.

While there may be other opinions, here is what I have seen/heard from Rabbi Yehuda Herzl Henkin, Rabbi Hershel Welcher, and others:

Category A. Many Lubavitchers believe that perhaps Rabbi Schneurson was a candidate to be the messiah, but for whatever reasons, God chose for it not to work out that way. Such Jews are easily 100% kosher, and in fact that was basically Rabbi Akiva's theology post-Beitar. ("Bar Kochba could have been, but it didn't work out.")

Category B. Those that believe that Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneurson isn't really dead, or that he gets a second coming to be the messiah, are wrong, and this belief is very dangerous as it can spin into all sorts of other problems. As such, the Rabbinical Council of America does not want members with such a belief. Some would argue that it's best to avoid associating one's self with people (or at least communities or institutions) who believe this. Rabbi Shach was concerned of this danger even while Rabbi Schneurson was alive, and called for people not to associate with such believers. However, such a belief is not so wrong as to void one's halachic status as a witness, or invalidate a Gett, meat, wine, or cheese.

Category C. Unfortunately, there are those who took the next step and blurred the line between Rabbi Schneurson and God. Such a belief (e.g. referring to the rebbe as "above all space and time", or "he controls what happens in this world"; or more simply, "we're bowing to a picture of the rebbe because he totally nullified himself to God") would render one's Gett, conversion, cheese, meat, and wine all not kosher.

So this leaves us with the contemporary questions:

  1. What's the best way to approach Category B Lubavitchers?

  2. How many Lubavitchers are in Category C? And what category should I assume (or fear for) if I have incomplete information?

I believe you're confusing some of the rhetoric between those questions.

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    Rav Ahron Feldman also makes such distinctions in a letter to Gil Student: http://www.identifyingchabad.org/feldman.pdf – Shoel U'Meishiv Mar 10 '15 at 12:08
  • @Shalom Category B is the problem. Rav Shach apparently said its forbidden to be in shul if they sing etc. Thus, would'nt it be the same thing if they sign a get? – warz3 Mar 22 '15 at 06:27
  • @warz3 All I can gather from what I've heard from Rav Shach is that Category B is incredibly dangerous and you should in no way associate yourselves with them. (Similarly, the RCA doesn't want rabbis in Category B.) That doesn't necessarily mean that their halachic actions are voided. – Shalom Mar 22 '15 at 07:36
  • @Shalom read the last comment on the main post, there's a link there (i think the 1st) that says the sichos contain "cefirah" – warz3 Mar 22 '15 at 07:42
  • @Shalom this doesnt answer my question ultimately. Your answer seemingly is that if the beis din in question contained group C it's an invalid get, and if it contained group B its a shaila? Would that be like a case of gerusha v'aino gerusha (in which case shes asur to the shuk)? – warz3 Mar 23 '15 at 07:07
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    @warz3 group C invalid. Group B valid at least according to Rabbis Hershel Welcher, Hershel Schachter, and Yehuda Herzl Henkin. (That doesn't mean we recommend associating with Group B folks.) – Shalom Mar 23 '15 at 14:53
  • @Shalom okay so now you're saying that Group B is "valid" according to those Rabbis. Does that mean "valid" to answer their Kaddish, or are they valid to matir a woman to the shuk? Is there a single Rabbi that she would say the Get is not valid? Is that safek d'araita lchumra? is she half divorced!? – warz3 Apr 02 '15 at 18:58
  • @Mefaresh The link you provided does not work. Do you have another link? – Yehuda W Oct 26 '15 at 01:12