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Some synagogues do not sing the last stanza of Avinu Malkeinu to this tune out of belief that it has a non-Jewish, possibly Christian, source.

Is this tune in fact not Jewish?

Note: even if the tune has a non Jewish source, it may originally have been Jewish similar to the Yigdal tune which apparently was originally Jewish.

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  • Many chasidic tunes have non Jewish sources. Tbe famous kalev one 'solo kokosh' in Hungarian is a case in point. – preferred May 04 '14 at 12:42
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    https://www.torah4blind.org/niggun/n-4.htm 7. One of his favorite songs is "Szol a Kakas Mar" - "The rooster is already crowing." The English translation comes from Avraham Yaakov Finkel's book, The Great Chasidic Masters, pp. 94-95. – preferred May 04 '14 at 12:45
  • @preferred So what? The question is about the origins of the tune, not the halachot of nonjewish tunes – Double AA May 04 '14 at 14:16
  • @preferred some poskim dustinguish between nonjewish religious sources which are problematic vs nonjewish popular culture sources which are acceptable – Yoni May 04 '14 at 14:16
  • @preferred thanks for the detailed reference. Rav SY Zevin has that story in Sippurei Cgassudim as well. – Yoni May 04 '14 at 14:18
  • let us continue this discussion in chat – Yoni May 04 '14 at 16:55
  • @preferred Your link was added to question. Thanks! – Yoni May 04 '14 at 17:04
  • @DoubleAA is this on topic? – mevaqesh Aug 10 '16 at 00:10
  • @mevaqesh the question is obviously addressing the potential issue of singing non jewish tunes and asking if that potential issue exists with this tune. – Yoni Aug 10 '16 at 02:17
  • @Yoni First of all it is not at all clear that asking background information to determine weather something is muttar is on topic. E.g. "is the Verrückt in Schlitterbahn safe to ride, and therefore muttar, or does it violate ushmartem" second of all, I am not aware of any halakhic problem with singing non-Jewish tunes. – mevaqesh Aug 10 '16 at 02:20
  • Hopefully, that shul is also not singing the common En K'Elokeinu tune for the same reason. Don't get me started on what non-Jewish tunes have infiltrated wedding / "Simcha" music lately. "Sunshine of your love" is still part of Ketyzad Merakdim, apparently.... – DanF Jul 23 '19 at 14:42

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