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In Parashat Vayetzeh, Yaakov goes to Lavan's house, but prior to his arrival he meets up with Rachel. Shockingly, the Pasuk says that he kissed her and cried (29:11). How exactly are we to understand this episode? Do we not say that the Avot kept the whole Torah before it was given, and can we not assume that the righteous Yaakov would not do something so immodest as to kiss a girl he isn't married to yet - in public?

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    Are you asking because of the issur negia (whereby I'd tell you she wasn't a niddah) or because of some subjective standard of modesty (whereby I'd tell you they had a different standard; recall that Yaakov and Rachel were first (and second) cousins)? – Double AA Nov 25 '12 at 22:46
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    By the way, who is "we" that says such a thing? Many Rishonim did not think Yaakov kept the whole Torah when he was in Charan. (See http://www.shortvort.com/vayishlach-parasha/11277-did-the-avos-keep-the-torah , http://www.rationalistjudaism.com/2010/11/another-reformation-of-judaism.html , http://yeranenyaakov.blogspot.com/2012/05/how-much-torah-did-avraham-avinu-keep.html and many more.) If you are asking according to a certain interpretation please say so, and don't declare what the rest of us think. – Double AA Nov 25 '12 at 23:20
  • Some say the reason he cried after is because he realised how people might interpret his action. – Michoel Nov 26 '12 at 03:24
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    See Rabbeinu Bachaya who says she might have been under 3,or he kissed her on her hands. – sam Nov 26 '12 at 03:45
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    Double AA- 1. I was asking more from a "modest" approach, but i feel it's hard to say the standard was different. For example: when avraham avinu went down to egypt he said "hineh na yadati.." and according to some opinions he hadn't even looked at her until this point out of modesty. Moreover, when Lavan switched Leah for Rachel, Yaakov did not find out until the next morning that is was Leah. If the standard was so different that they would kiss before marriage don't you think Yaakov would take a peak at Leah during their wedding? – AEML Nov 26 '12 at 22:59
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  • I assumed that just as chazal in yoma 28b say that avraham avinu kept the whole torah, it would be fair to say that yaakov did as well. (But i guess isn't a fair assumption based on the rema (7) in the first link you posted.) Rashi's comment on Im Lavan Garti also led me to think this way
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