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Rain is often a symbol of bracha. I live in Manchester (UK), which is a particularly rainy location. Does that mean that it is especially blessed and it is a good place to live to receive bracha? (This would seem hard to accept as surely it isn't as good as living in Israel?)

Conversely, we probably see rainbows more often than in other places, so does that mean that we deserve to be wiped out more than people in other places? (see this question)

Are there any sources which discuss this? (I'm specifically talking about the local climate as an indication whether a place is good or not)

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  • I believe rain is seen to be a sign of blessing specifically (or at least, especially) in Israel – Lo ani Dec 13 '23 at 13:07
  • כִּי הָאָרֶץ, אֲשֶׁר אַתָּה בָא-שָׁמָּה לְרִשְׁתָּהּ--לֹא כְאֶרֶץ מִצְרַיִם הִוא, אֲשֶׁר יְצָאתֶם מִשָּׁם: אֲשֶׁר תִּזְרַע אֶת-זַרְעֲךָ, וְהִשְׁקִיתָ בְרַגְלְךָ כְּגַן הַיָּרָק. וְהָאָרֶץ, אֲשֶׁר אַתֶּם עֹבְרִים שָׁמָּה לְרִשְׁתָּהּ--אֶרֶץ הָרִים, וּבְקָעֹת; לִמְטַר הַשָּׁמַיִם, תִּשְׁתֶּה-מָּיִם. אֶרֶץ, אֲשֶׁר-יְהוָה אֱלֹהֶיךָ דֹּרֵשׁ אֹתָהּ: תָּמִיד, עֵינֵי יְהוָה אֱלֹהֶיךָ בָּהּ--מֵרֵשִׁית הַשָּׁנָה, וְעַד אַחֲרִית שָׁנָה. – Double AA Dec 13 '23 at 13:42

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Too much rain is a problem. Even so in Eretz Yisroel it is considered (enough of) a sign of blessing that we don't make a taanis that it should go away but outside of Eretz Yisroel it isn't even (enough of) a sign of blessing that we don't make a taanis that it should go away.

The Gemorah (Taanis 22B) discusses the Mishna which says that we make fast about all problems other than too much rain and says :

תָּנוּ רַבָּנַן: עַל כׇּל צָרָה שֶׁלֹּא תָּבוֹא עַל הַצִּבּוּר מַתְרִיעִין עָלֶיהָ, חוּץ מֵרוֹב גְּשָׁמִים. מַאי טַעְמָא .אָמַר רַבִּי יוֹחָנָן: לְפִי שֶׁאֵין מִתְפַּלְּלִין עַל רוֹב הַטּוֹבָה

(loosely translated: we don't fast over too much rain because we don't fast over a good thing.)

The Gemora later on says

אָמַר רָמֵי בַּר רַב יוֹד: וּבַגּוֹלָה, מַתְרִיעִין עָלֶיהָ. תַּנְיָא נָמֵי הָכִי: שָׁנָה שֶׁגְּשָׁמֶיהָ מְרוּבִּין, אַנְשֵׁי מִשְׁמָר שׁוֹלְחִין לְאַנְשֵׁי מַעֲמָד: תְּנוּ עֵינֵיכֶם אֲחֵיכֶם שֶׁבַּגּוֹלָה, שֶׁלֹּא יְהֵא בָּתֵּיהֶם קִבְרֵיהֶם

(very loosely translated: outside of Eretz Yisroel we do daven immediately when too much rain falls)

The Rambam Hilchos Taanis 2:15 says :

עַל הַמָּטָר כֵּיצַד. הֲרֵי שֶׁרַבּוּ עֲלֵיהֶן גְּשָׁמִים עַד שֶׁיָּצֵרוּ לָהֶן הֲרֵי אֵלּוּ מִתְפַּלְּלִין עֲלֵיהֶן. שֶׁאֵין לְךָ צָרָה יְתֵרָה מִזּוֹ שֶׁהַבָּתִּים נוֹפְלִין וְנִמְצְאוּ בָּתֵּיהֶן קִבְרֵיהֶן. וּבְאֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל אֵין מִתְפַּלְּלִין עַל רֹב הַגְּשָׁמִים מִפְּנֵי שֶׁהִיא אֶרֶץ הָרִים וּבָתֵּיהֶם בְּנוּיִים בַּאֲבָנִים וְרֹב הַגְּשָׁמִים טוֹבָה לָהֶן וְאֵין מִתְעַנִּין לְהַעֲבִיר הַטּוֹבָה

How (why) would we fast because of rain? When the rainfall is so abundant that it causes difficulty, prayers should be recited. There is no greater difficulty than this, that homes should fall and become the graves (of their inhabitants). In Eretz Yisrael, we do not pray for rain to stop when there is an abundant rainfall. It is a mountainous land, and its houses are made of stone. An abundance of rain is of benefit, and we should not fast to cause a benefit to pass.

The Tur and Shulchan Aruch, (577:1) say that we daven for rain to go away even in less severe situations that the one given by the Rambam

בכל מקום אם רוב גשמים מטשטשים הקרקע ומונעים המחרישה מתריעין ומבקשים רחמים

Anyplace where too much rain is muddying the ground and preventing it from being plowed we blow shofar and ask for mercy that it stop

From all the above it seems that too much rain falling somewhere out of Eretz Yisroel not a sign of anything good.

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