Was the Muggle attack on Ariana Dumbledore sexual in nature? When I read this, I noticed a lot of "hand-waving language", typical in situations when the author wants to keep the book family suitable but is alluding to something sexual.
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http://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/18501/why-was-ron-so-nasty-to-hermione#comment34726_18501 – calccrypto Jul 10 '14 at 19:47
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2@calccrypto I don't see the relevance? – Celeritas Jul 10 '14 at 20:12
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1Children can be unbelievably cruel. Perhaps the attack was really just bullying gone a bit far, but nothing sexual about it. – calccrypto Jul 10 '14 at 20:17
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@calccrypto, this is true. My father never murdered my bullies, but then everyone's different: I'd call it overkill, others might not. FWIW I also cannot find any interview or anything from Rowling regarding this. – Mac Cooper Jul 10 '14 at 20:24
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3@calccrypto -- Canon uses the word "attack" to describe what happened to Ariana, which is a step up from typical bullying (although, sure, bullying can of course be physical and not just verbal or psychological). "Attack" to me implies physical harm and/or sexual assault. Yes, Ron had a cruel streak and Hermione was the recipient of most (?) of his barbs; he didn't physically or sexually assault her. Hermione stayed perfectly competent while enduring Ron's BS; after being attacked, Ariana was left non-fuctional, in a perpetual state of hopeless PTSD (or the like). :) – Slytherincess Jul 10 '14 at 20:45
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11@calccrypto -- Bullying is never "innocent". Many people have had their lives devastated by the effects of bullying. I would gently suggest that you indeed re-evaluate your definition of bullying and learn more about it before you stray into "willful ignorance" territory. I don't say this to be rude or condescending -- I find this genuinely concerning. :/ – Slytherincess Jul 10 '14 at 22:38
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possible duplicate of What’s the story with the Dumbledore sister Ariana again? – Izkata Jul 10 '14 at 22:52
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3@Izkata: DVK’s answer there skims over Ariana’s story, but doesn’t really go into detail on her attack, which is what this question is about. Not a dupe imo. – alexwlchan Jul 10 '14 at 22:57
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2I'm with @alexwlchan on this one. Not dupe IMO. – Möoz Jul 10 '14 at 23:09
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1@Slytherincess Fair enough. I used the wrong word. I meant "bullying without sexual assault". Nonetheless, your response contradicts the answer provided, supporting my suggestion that bullying (without sexual assault) can and does have devastating effects on people, such as Ariana Dumbledore. And yes, I do find statements such as that condescending. Simply using the wrong word at the wrong time does not merit this "pity/whats wrong with you?" that your comment conveys. You should have asked "do you know what your comment sounds like?", instead of instantly assuming I'm ignorant. – calccrypto Jul 11 '14 at 00:50
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@calccrypto -- I don't think you're ignorant at all. Let me try and explain better. Ignorance is simply not knowing something -- every single one of us is ignorant in some way, because no one can know everything, right? "Willful" ignorance is choosing a belief in spite of compelling or incontrovertible evidence otherwise. For example, someone insisting that the sky is green is guilty of willful ignorance. Were you maybe playing Devil's advocate? Again, it was not my intention to condescend to you. I was just a little concerned about your wording, which you have addressed. :) – Slytherincess Jul 11 '14 at 01:46
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@Slytherincess thank you for clearing that up – calccrypto Jul 11 '14 at 01:50
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1Personally with the lack of canon I think this question is too opinion based to be answered properly. The only two answers both have a completely different standing on the issue and yet have the same amount of votes. There will be a variety of theories for instance what if what destroyed Ariana was her Dad murdering a group of muggles in her name? – CandiedMango Jul 11 '14 at 09:06
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@Simon - I double checked Deathly Hallows and Aberforth, as he's telling the tale to Harry, Ron, and Hermione, indicates his father attacked the Muggle boys; he didn't kill them. This was definitely news to me -- I swear I thought Mr. Dumbledore had killed those boys ... :) – Slytherincess Jul 12 '14 at 16:32
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1@Slytherincess hmmm I swear when they are discussing Dumbledore at the wedding in DH someone mentions he goes to Azkaban for murder. Perhaps it's just our brains deciding that! :) – CandiedMango Jul 12 '14 at 16:34
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@Simon - That was probably Ron's Auntie Muriel, who was a horrible gossip :)) But I will check, just to be sure. :) – Slytherincess Jul 12 '14 at 16:37
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@Slytherincess I'm sure it was the old crow! Thankyou! :) – CandiedMango Jul 12 '14 at 16:38
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@Simon -- Sure enough, Muriel's the guilty gossip! She repeatedly proclaimed that Ariana was a Squib, but regarding Percival Dumbledore, she only had this to say: ‘Oh yes, she’s been there forever! The Dumbledores moved there after Percival was imprisoned, and she was their neighbour.’ She was referring to Bathilda Bagshot. :) – Slytherincess Jul 12 '14 at 16:45
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@Slytherincess I was sure he murdered them, does it possibly say that he does in the movie and that's where I'm getting it from? She is very unreliable as Canon though – CandiedMango Jul 12 '14 at 16:47
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@Simon - Yes, she definitely says "when he murdered those three Muggles" in the movie. That part of the book was completely changed to suit the film -- there are numerous discrepancies, like Harry not knowing who Bathilda Bagshot was and the like. In the book Muriel gets pretty soused; not so in the movie. – Slytherincess Jul 12 '14 at 17:19
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@Slytherincess No real concrete evidence then, ah well. We shall have to make JKR speak about this question! – CandiedMango Jul 12 '14 at 17:21
2 Answers
First I would like to correct that it was not Dumbledore who informed the trio about Ariana’s fate, but Aberforth at the Hog's Head after saving them from the trap in Hogsmeade.
I disagree with Slytherincess. Aberforth said "trying to stop the little freak doing it", not punishing her for it; sexually assaulting her is not directly linked to stopping her magic. While the exact age of the attackers is not given I presume they were still before puberty so this is again unlikely to be a sexual assault.
J.K.Rowling did not state the exact reason because it seems to be horrible enough and leave the imagination to the readers. My logical conclusion was
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given the historical background (which Rowling used extensively in the books), that Ariana was undoubtedly a witch, and that the boys got carried away to stop her: They tried to burn her alive. Ariana survived because we know wizards and witches are much more resilient to normal damage than Muggles and magical cures are much more powerful. But naturally it broke her completely and was a sufficient reason for the father to hunt down the boys.
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I agree, most likely the attackers were about her own age (6). Though I disagree with your guess as to how they attacked her, they wouldn't be capable of that at that age either. – Kevin Jul 11 '14 at 02:12
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3@Kevin unfortunately 6 year olds are capable of more than you might like to imagine. – DeveloperInDevelopment Jul 11 '14 at 05:08
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1well, it isn't necessary that her attackers were her age. there are lots of stories where older kids rape way younger kids... But that aside, I don't believe that it was a sexual attack simply because they were frightened of her power. They wanted to stop her using magic. Maybe they tried setting her on fire. Maybe they 'just' tried beating her to death... – Armin Jul 11 '14 at 07:17
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3@Kevin: J.K.Rowling is UK resident and I think she knew the case of James Bulger which put the UK in a state of shock and horror in 1993. You may rethink your "wouldn't be capable of" after reading the incident. – Thorsten S. Jul 11 '14 at 11:03
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1@ThorstenS. -- Heck, I'm American and even I know about the Bulger case -- terrible, just terrible. There are many, many juvenile sex offenders in the US; I can't speak to the UK. I'm sorry, but juveniles do perpetrate sexual crimes. If they didn't, or if it were rare, here in the US we wouldn't have need for sex offender management boards to oversee what must be a great number of juvenile sex offenders. Some of these kids are terribly violent. My point is merely that it can happen. It does happen. :) – Slytherincess Jul 11 '14 at 21:37
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3'Aberforth said "trying to stop the little freak doing it.", not punishing her for it and sexually assaulting her is not directly linked to stop her magic.' But isn't harsh punishment often how people try to force others to change their behavior? "Don't do it again or we'll be back to hurt you again like we just did" might have been their intention. But it's also possible they just wanted to kill her to make sure she wouldn't do it again. – Hypnosifl Jul 12 '14 at 18:14
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"we know wizards and witches are much more resilient to normal damage than Muggles" Citation needed. Any reference to witch burnings in Harry Potter mention the witches casting spells (e.g. flame tickling) to avoid harm. There's no evidence a magical person is more resilient to harm/damage than a non-magical person. A punch to the face, a knife to the gut, or a gunshot are just as harmful/damaging to witches/wizards as to Muggles. – TylerH Oct 30 '20 at 16:05
It's obviously not explicitly stated, as you note, and J.K. Rowling has not addressed this specific question in any interview I'm aware of (perhaps someone else knows of one?). I will say that the impression I came away with after reading about the attack on Ariana was that she may indeed have been sexually assaulted, or that at the very least the attack might have involved some improper language and/or perhaps touching.
Ariana was so traumatized that sexual assault seems possible; of course, that level of trauma can certainly result from a purely physical attack. I would say that it would seem more likely that a little girl's father would actually attack the juvenile offenders if sexual assault were involved.
ETA: I stand corrected. Thanks to Anthony Grist, I went back and re-read parts of Deathly Hallows and discovered that Dumbledore's father attacked the boys who attacked Ariana; there is no indication he killed them:
‘And my father went after the bastards that did it,’ said Aberforth, ‘and attacked them. And they locked him up in Azkaban for it. He never said why he’d done it, because if the Ministry had known what Ariana had become, she’d have been locked up in St Mungo’s for good. They’d have seen her as a serious threat to the International Statute of Secrecy, unbalanced like she was, with magic exploding out of her at moments when she couldn’t keep it in any longer.
‘We had to keep her safe, and quiet. We moved house, put it about she was ill, and my mother looked after her, and tried to keep her calm and happy.'
Deathly Hallows - page 455 - Bloomsbury - chapter twenty-eight, The Missing Mirror
So I've tweaked this answer accordingly, to reflect an attack on Ariana's abusers, rather than their being murdered. If you want to see the differences between the two answers, just check the edit history. Basically, I've reversed my stance on the attack "obviously" having been sexual in nature to possibly having been sexual in nature. For it is possibly. But from the canon we have, a definitive conclusion can't be drawn.
As well, Dumbledore, at one point in his life, advocated wizarding subjugation of Muggles, a decidedly anti-Muggle stance. Perhaps his father had anti-Muggle leanings as well -- and planted the seed in Dumbledore's mind that Muggles were inferior to wizards -- and this made it easier for him to attack the Muggle boys. A total guess on my part, because Mr. Dumbledore never made a confession.
So, there is no absolute canon answer to this question, but this is what I have concluded.
Feel free to retract your vote if you feel uncomfortable with my reassessment.
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Since, given the lack of Word of God, this is largely the way readers have inferred the passage, I'll state I agree with @Slytherincess. – Mac Cooper Jul 10 '14 at 20:06
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4@MacCooper - I agree with this interpretation. The quote is "It destroyed her, what they did: she was never right again". That doesn't suggest to me a purely physical attack – Valorum Jul 10 '14 at 20:09
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Another voice of agreement here. In fact, I’m not aware of any interview mentioning Ariana, except as part of the complete family Dumbledore would see in the mirror of Erised. – alexwlchan Jul 10 '14 at 20:11
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9@Richard. A purely physical attack could certainly have that effect. I've heard near identical phrases used to describe war veterans. There is a popular perception that sexual assault is somehow on another level than a purely physical or psychological trauma, but the evidence doesn't necessarily support this. The linked table shows that, while rape is clearly traumatic, combat, physical assault and threat with a weapon are all in a similar ballpark with respect to incidence of PTSD. TL;DR: you can't infer a sexual component from severity alone. – DeveloperInDevelopment Jul 11 '14 at 04:55
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@imsotiredicantsleep -- Just wanted to point out that I did note that physical trauma can result in deep PTSD (for lack of a better term): "Ariana was so traumatized that sexual assault seems obvious; of course, that level of trauma can certainly result from a purely physical attack." I agree that severity alone doesn't prove sexual assault, but if you go on to read my answer, you'll note I based my supposition on Ariana's father actually killing the Muggle boys in retaliation. I thought perhaps that indicated a sexual assault, as sexual impropriety is often the basis for violence. – Slytherincess Jul 11 '14 at 21:28
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@Slytherincess, my comment was "@Richard" in response his criticism ("That doesn't suggest to me a purely physical attack") of the suggestion in your answer ("of course, that level of trauma can certainly result from a purely physical attack"). – DeveloperInDevelopment Jul 11 '14 at 21:36
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@imsotiredicantsleep -- I realize who you commented to -- can we not all have a conversation together? I really wanted to reiterate that I was agreeing with you regarding the propensity for physical violence to cause deep trauma; trauma is not restricted to victims of sexual assault. Not by a long shot. – Slytherincess Jul 12 '14 at 05:48
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@Slytherincess "I would say that it would seem more likely that a little girl's father would actually kill the juvenile offenders if sexual assault were involved." Is there any conclusive evidence that he killed them? – Anthony Grist Jul 12 '14 at 11:16
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@AnthonyGrist - In fact, the opposite. Please see my revised answer. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction :) – Slytherincess Jul 12 '14 at 16:27
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@Slytherincess No problem, I just happened to have read that part of Deathly Hallows the other day so it was fresh in my mind. – Anthony Grist Jul 12 '14 at 17:01