If Dumbledore is the most powerful wizard (allegedly), why would he work at a glorified boarding school? Is there a role with more responsibility?
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108Why wouldn't he? What could possibly be more important than shaping the minds of young wizards, ensuring they are educated properly? Look at the fact that Voldy went to so much trouble to usurp his position, multiple times. – Seeds Oct 14 '16 at 18:45
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50Dumbledore initially wanted to seize power, then with the death of his sister, he devoted himself to helping, and entered teaching. he was offered minister of magic multiple times and until book 5 Fudge was sending dumbledore daily and weekly letters seeking advice. in his own way though, running the education of the entire country is pretty much the top seat. – Himarm Oct 14 '16 at 18:51
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3As to whether Dumbledore was the most powerful wizard, see Was Voldemort a Better Wizard than Dumbledore? – Slytherincess Oct 14 '16 at 18:58
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Adamant's answer is the answer, I think, but @Himarm mentions a very salient point regarding your final question "Is there a role with more responsibility?" Hogwarts is the only magical school in Britain and, as we see in book 5, until then, Dumbledore's had an enormous amount of free reign to do whatever he wants, so it's hard to think of a more prestigious and powerful position as far as education is concerned, so he definitely does have a lot of responsibility – Au101 Oct 14 '16 at 21:46
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2Just to play for a minute; remember that "most powerful" does not necessarily mean "most ambitious". The smartest and arguably most talented guy in my high school ended up working a minimum wage job after getting his career shortened in the Army for not giving a sh**. – Paul Oct 15 '16 at 14:11
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19Keep in mind he's also the head of parliament (Chief Warlock of the Wizengamot) as well as a position of importance (Supreme Mugwump of the International Confederation of Wizards, perhaps the head?) in an international diplomatic body. So he's not only the headmaster of the most important (only?) magic school in Great Britain. – Iker Oct 15 '16 at 14:30
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1Note that the Wizarding world in HP is extremely small: less than 5000 people in all of UK. There aren't many positions to take care of in the first place. – JonathanReez Oct 15 '16 at 21:15
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If one of these posts answers your question, you can accept it by clicking the checkmark beneath the voting buttons. – Adamant Oct 15 '16 at 22:37
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2@Iker makes a good point. The headmaster of Hogwarts is closer to being chancellor of Oxford than head of some rando boarding school in the country. The wizarding world has no formal higher education, so teaching at Hogwarts is a prestigious position. Being headmaster is even more so. – Oct 15 '16 at 22:50
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4Questions like this make me wonder why there isn't a "Good grief, read the books to the end!" close reason. The last book explains why Albus Dumbledore is how he is, and what he did to get there. – Oli Oct 17 '16 at 10:21
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The title should be made more neutral. The question itself is valid, but the title is suggestive in so many wrong ways... – Polygnome Oct 17 '16 at 15:17
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Related: Why did Dumbledore leave his ideas of wizarding domination? – Möoz Oct 18 '16 at 02:10
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1Many of the most skilled people in various disciplines are university proffesors... I see nothing surprising here. – Tomáš Zato Oct 18 '16 at 14:48
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Probably worth noting that it's not a glorified boarding school, it's the glorified boarding school. As far as I can tell, the only one in the country. Slughorn demonstrates fairly well how that can be converted into power, if one so wishes. – Tin Wizard Oct 18 '16 at 17:24
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What's more responsible than shaping the minds and hearts of our youth? – Tango Oct 24 '16 at 23:00
4 Answers
He did not trust himself to have more power
As a young man, Dumbledore was tempted by the idea of power over others. It’s how he was drawn in by Grindelwald’s anti-Muggle beliefs (that and his romantic infatuation with Grindelwald, I suppose). As such, he felt it was too dangerous for him to be in a position of responsibility in the magical community:
“Years passed. There were rumors about him. They said he had procured a wand of immense power. I, meanwhile, was offered the post of Minister of Magic, not once, but several times. Naturally, I refused. I had learned that I was not to be trusted with power.”
“But you’d have been better, much better, than Fudge or Scrimgeour!” burst out Harry.
“Would I?” asked Dumbledore heavily. “I am not so sure. I had proven, as a very young man, that power was my weakness and my temptation. It is a curious thing, Harry, but perhaps those who are best suited to power are those who have never sought it. Those who, like you, have leadership thrust upon them, and take up the mantle because they must, and find to their own surprise that they wear it well.
“I was safer at Hogwarts. I think I was a good teacher—”
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows
He may also have viewed it as a high calling
He also seems to view it as one of the most important things a talented wizard can do:
“I am surprised you have remained here so long,” said Voldemort after a short pause. “I always wondered why a wizard such as yourself never wished to leave school.”
“Well,” said Dumbledore, still smiling, “to a wizard such as myself, there can be nothing more important than passing on ancient skills, helping hone young minds. If I remember correctly, you once saw the attraction of teaching too.”
Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince
Of course, he’s talking about a sensitive subject here, and to Lord Voldemort no less, so it is possible he is not being entirely honest. Nonetheless, few roles could be a greater responsibility than having to care, for the better part of each year, for a generation of Britain’s young witches and wizards: ensuring their education, protecting them from Dark Magic, and various other duties.
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But Dumbledore liked to pull strings. He liked control. This is a major criticism his enemies charge, and they're kind of right. I think he liked power all the same, but didn't like the watching eyes that come with public office or official leadership. – Apr 08 '19 at 13:35
You have to ask yourself what else he might do which would be better....
As headmaster of Hogwarts he has a level of respect comparable to any of the Ministers of Magic that we see, indeed we are told in the books that Fudge frequently sought his advice before they became estranged over the return of Voldemort.
Also from what we see of Dumbledore throughout the books it seems that one of his greatest interests is knowledge rather than political power as such. Even when he was young his approach to gaining power was through researching the Hallows rather than cultivating a political influence and again when Voldemort reappears his strategy is to try to learn as much about him and his early life as he can.
Even when he is leading the Order of the Phoenix he is always somewhat in the background and although he clearly commands the total respect of the members we never really see him taking a front and center leadership role.
In terms of his career, we never hear about any sort of magical universities so, for an academic teaching at Hogwarts is probably a pretty good job. Bearing in mind that it is also one of the oldest and most significant magical sites in Europe both in terms of the institution and the building itself, consider the Room of Requirement, the Chamber of Secrets, the Sword of Gryffindor as well as the extensive Library and practical facilities as well as working with some of the best practitioners of magic in Britain. E.g. Snape and McGonagall are both highly skilled in their fields (proved by their brewing of the Wolfsbane Potion and Animagus status respectively).
So for someone who is passionate about researching magic Hogwarts castle seems like pretty good place to be and is analogous to being a professor at a top university.
There is also the fact that as far as we know he has no children or other family, apart from his brother, who he has a strained relationship with and in any case lives within walking distance so you could certainly argue that Hogwarts is a surrogate family for him, while at the same time one that allows him to maintain a certain amount of emotional distance from. Even with Harry his emotional relationship is always on his terms.
Also consider that within the realms of Hogwarts he arguably has more power than the minister or Magic as he is essentially the absolute ruler with a level of control over the daily lives of staff and pupils that no Minister would have.
Bear in mind also that he spends most of his time in a heavily fortified office accessible only retractable stairs operated by password.
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Is there a role with more responsibility?
Why would he need any? Sure, sometimes you have to accept some responsibility in exchange for power, but that system can be gamed.
If he's posing as a senile-ish headmaster and delegates all the boring stuff to his underlings then he has, like, 0 responsibility while also enjoying perks of all power that comes with his position.
Just think about it: he has authority over nation's all future wizards during their teens, when they are still malleable and inexperienced. He gets first ability-informed pick and he can influence his students en masse.
Don't like competitors? Embrace and sustain opinion that desire to achieve one's goals is bad so people will lterally want to get to any house but troubling one (which will be hence stuffed with morons and leftovers).
Need henchmen? Embrace and sustain opinion that paving road to someone's goals with your and your friends' bodies is a virtue. Hell, you wouldn't even need to pay those.
Promising student gets bullied? Well, if he asks for help, his problems will be solved. Of course, he'll owe you one afterwards.
One of your people needs an apprentice? Well, you can arrange some promising student that looks like he would fit to talk to the guy - before the student gets head-hunted by competitors.
Thus, Dumbledore can ensure that he has enough loyal people in Ministry and in any other place he's interested in (provided that he's willing to wait some years while plans unfold). He has people willing to wage war on his enemies - and he does not have to intimidate or bribe them so they'll keep fighting!
However, the main part is: accountability, or lack of it.
No more stupid blunders like bad PR from your minions going overboard with sacrifices.
Dumbledore is not held accountable neither for actions of his minions, nor for his own.
Just imagine: Ministry gets its hands on Philosopher's stone. However, instead of funding efforts to mass-produce those and Elixir of Life, they simply hide it somewhere and refuse to share because Minister thinks that death is fun - an this continues for unspecified number of years while people are dying.
Compare with: Dumbledore gets his hands on Philosopher's stone. However, instead of funding efforts to mass-produce those and Elixir of Life, he simply hides it somewhere and refuses to share because Dumbledore thinks that death is fun - an this continues for unspecified number of years while people are dying.
Minister would be held accountable for that eventually whereas Dumbledore would not. That's the main perk of Dumbledore's position: lots of power with zero responsibility.
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For the record, in the original canon, Dumbledore did not "get his hands" on the Philosopher's stone. He was holding it for the owner; it wasn't his to make use of. Also he had it for less than a year, it was moved to Hogwarts shortly before the start of Harry's first term. – Harry Johnston Oct 16 '16 at 01:24
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(Actually, that's true even in HPMOR, the only difference being that the nominal owner turned out to have no legitimate claim to it. Dumbledore didn't know that.) – Harry Johnston Oct 16 '16 at 01:25
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@HarryJohnston > he had it for less than a year Well, I haven't found info on when it was entrusted to Dumbledore (how much time it was in Gringotts or maybe somewhere else bofore that too), but I vaguely remember info on Flamel being taken from history book so he was around the whole time the Dumbledore was. Stone's transfer to Hogwarts is connected with Quirrels return so it happened in 1st book. Stone's transfer to Dumbledore could happen anytime between, say, Grindewald's fall and first book. Hence "unspecified number of years". Is there more specific info? – Daerdemandt Oct 16 '16 at 13:54
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Dumbledore did not "get his hands on" Well, he was in posession of the Stone - because of being stronger - and had enough influence on Stone's creator to destroy the stone. De-facto whatever he wanted with stone to happen would happen. Concepts like "copyright" and "private property" are quite malleable when you are dealing with government's - or world's strongest wizard's - strategic interests. It just happens that providing people with longevity and immortality is kinda against Dumbledore's agenda, and it also just happens that mass-production does not occur and destruction does occur.
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HPMOR That's like seeng a person say "I've seen a guy who intends to get X by doing Y, oh boy he's wrong! But I've told him nothing, let him learn on his mistakes now" and replying with "Startrek much?". Ideas I've expressed are either not unique to HPMOR or not featured there or both. I don't rely on any HPMOR assumptions like that whole dementor blunder (ok, G's minion's sacrifices may or may not be non-canon though). Dumbledore's plans to rule wizards and muggles - for the greater good, of course - are canon AFAIR and so is his fascination with death.
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Looks like I was misremembering, Dumbledore may indeed have been looking after the Stone for some time. If I had to guess I'd imagine it happened during the First Wizarding War, but you're right that it could have been even earlier. It still wasn't his to use, though - all he could ethically have done, even had he thought it a good idea, was to ask, and the same applies to the Ministry had they been entrusted with it's care instead. Short of a communist revolution, so to speak, I can't see them being "held responsible" for what they would doubtless spin as merely respecting Flamel's rights. – Harry Johnston Oct 16 '16 at 21:23
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As for HPMOR; sorry; no offense intended. It just seemed more likely that you'd read it than that you'd come up with such a cynical viewpoint on your own. It wasn't meant as a criticism. I liked HPMOR. – Harry Johnston Oct 16 '16 at 21:29
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I don't think that world "ethical" is useful here because there are different ethics out there with different conclusions about the situations. Heuristics for everyday life in society are only good for everyday life in society, but we have quite different situation here, with much more at a stake. Practically speaking, hypothetical Flamelden would be tortured for hypothetical launch codes six ways from Sunday, rights or not. Dumbledore would get away with producing stones if he wanted to. He've chosen not to. As for cynicism - that's reaction I'd prefer people to express when authority (1/2) – Daerdemandt Oct 16 '16 at 22:41
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(2/2) presents himself as "forces of good" and his enemies as "evil". However, it assumes that there's a living, coherent world we are talking about. One could argue that many things I've mentioned are the way they are due to divine intervention - because they are plot devices - rather than due to acts of characters in charge, and series itself is, well, books for kids so villains are actually ugly and evil and consistency - which we need to reason - is not guaranteed. That kinda defeats any question not answered by narrator though. Also check out HP&Natural20 - cunny exploits, no agenda:). – Daerdemandt Oct 16 '16 at 22:43
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Exactly - context is key. In-universe, everybody knows that Flamel has the Stone, and nobody seems to mind that he's keeping the benefits to himself. That may seem unrealistic at first, but not when you remember that this is a world in which the afterlife is real, Elizier's critique of that notwithstanding. (And even if you reject that, the characters all believe it, which is all that really matters. There are of course other more complicated issues that in the real world would need to be addressed, but they're not really relevant in this context.) – Harry Johnston Oct 16 '16 at 22:53
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nobody seems to mind that he's keeping the benefits to himself I am not sure if it's true or false. this guy got famous with a much lesser thing. For a world where afterlife is provably real it's inhabitants suspiciously behave like it's not actually real (limited to ghosts and portraits) and make death to be a big deal. Again, if we assume consistency and extrapolate too much we get results like Alisa being from postapocalyptic future. More like meta-context(this is a book for children)
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"HPMOR" is short for "Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality", for those as confused as I was by this discussion. – BiscuitBaker Oct 17 '16 at 10:54
In very generic terms, some people (quite a lot, actually), decide to stay at a job they like and are good at, even when other opportunities come along. Some people value being in a a place where they feel useful rather than seeking power for its own sake. I'm not a Harry Potter fan, but it just seemed to me that the question has a hint of intellectual snobbery.
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