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Some background: Tolkien's history of elves singing and ents walking and talking.

One of the foundations of Tolkien's mythology is the Elves being the Firstborn. The Dwarves are even put back to sleep until the Elves awake. I've always taken this to mean the first born sentient race1.

However, several quotes are making me question this:

Even some whole inventions like the remarkable Ents, oldest of living rational creatures, Shepherds of the Trees, are omitted.

The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien, To Milton Waldman (#131), p. 160

Ents. The most ancient people surviving in the Third Age were the Onodrim or Enyd. Ent was the form of their name in the language of Rohan.

The Lord of the Rings: Return of the King, Appendix F: The Languages and Peoples of the Third Age, p. 511

[...]before the Children awake there shall go forth with wings like the wind the Eagles of the Lords of the West."

The Silmarillion, Of Aulë and Yavanna, p. 41

There's another quote from the Silmarillion abouts Ents that contradicts the ones above:

When the Children awake, then the thought of Yavanna will awake also, and it will summon spirits from afar[...]

ibid.

Concerning the Dwarves, Ilúvatar says this:

But I will not suffer this: that these should come before the Firstborn of my design, nor that thy impatience should be rewarded. They shall sleep now in the darkness under stone, and shall not come forth until the Firstborn have awakened upon Earth

The Silmarillion, Of Aulë and Yavanna, p. 38

So, are Elves not the first sentient beings to awaken? Were they only called "Firstborn" in relation to Men? Was it the Ents? Or maybe Eagles?

I am obviously excluding from this any race that was created outside Arda (Ainur, Maiar) or weird individuals (Bombadil, Ungoliant).

1"race", "species", "ethnicity" or whatever. Not trying to start a semantics war.

All citations from the Harper Collins editions

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  • There is a similar question about the oldest sentient being, but it is not related. – isanae Oct 03 '16 at 07:24
  • Tom Bombadil. He was first. –  Oct 03 '16 at 07:33
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    @Po-ta-toe Bombadil is nothing and everything. We do not mention him. – isanae Oct 03 '16 at 07:35
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    Just as an idea: First-born may mean the first ones who come into being, i.e. those created, which would exclude those who have always been there. This would clearly lead to the fact that Ents and the Great Eagles are eternal spirits. – Philip Klöcking Oct 03 '16 at 08:19
  • To add to my comment: Although it is correctly pointed out that both Ents and Eagles obviously reproduce, this does not contradict the point made. For example, there are equally obvious descendants of the 'horse spirits', of whom Shadowfax is probably the last. The trope of 'descendants of greater spirits' is rather common in Tolkien's works. That means that it is perfectly possible for the first Ents and Eagles to be eternal spirits, i.e. beings who were neither 'born' nor 'created' in the Ainulindalë. – Philip Klöcking Oct 03 '16 at 20:17
  • @PhilipKlöcking There are no "eternal spirits" in Tolkien's works, except for Eru. The only beings created before the Music are the Ainur and Maiar. Ents, Eagles and horses are not one of those. – isanae Oct 03 '16 at 20:24
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    @isanae: 1) There are spirits that did not take part in the Ainulindalë. 2) The Ainur are all spirits that took part in it (or entered earth), this includes both Maiar and Valar (equal in kind, but not in power!). 3) There are numerous spirits (Maiar) that appear on Arda clad in mortal bodies that resemble 'lesser' beings, e.g. the Istari (as humans), certain Orcs, Ungolianth (as spider, but almost certainly no Maia, as not part in the song) and Melian (as elf). It is not that far off to assume that there were other Maiar that were akin to Yavanna that took the form of tree, horse, or eagle. – Philip Klöcking Oct 03 '16 at 21:47
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  • I will not start a discussion on the notion of eternity or God. As of now, it will suffice to point out that it is rather meaningless to speak of time or existence before the first thought of Eru, while at the same time it is reasonable to assume that with the first thought of him the spirits came into being. If you want to think more about this trifling paradox, I recommend reading about the Kaballah's principle of Zimzum ;)
  • – Philip Klöcking Oct 03 '16 at 22:01
  • @PhilipKlöcking That's a lot of text. 1 and 2 imply a higher class than Ainur, which would include individuals who weren't part of the Ainulindalë. I'll need a quote on that. 3) You may assume, but I've seen no text that would imply that. Again, give me a quote. 4) Okay. – isanae Oct 04 '16 at 01:08
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    Perhaps it's because Ents grow from seeds and Eagles hatch from eggs, so the Elves are the first to be born. (Not a serious comment.) – N. Virgo Oct 04 '16 at 09:14
  • This discussion is about Tom Bombadil seemingly being of another kind, but certainly spiritual. I am on the "Ainu, but not part of Ainulindalë" fraction, obviously. I think 'higher class' is misleading. Just a different category. Ungoliant 'descended from the darkness that lies about Arda' (see Silmarillion, Chapter 8) and Ainur 'put on the raiment of Earth and descended into it, and dwelt therein' right after the creation of Arda (see second paragraph of the Valaquenta). Nahar certainly was a Maia as well. – Philip Klöcking Oct 04 '16 at 16:42
  • @PhilipKlöcking TB isn't consistent with the mythos, he's irrelevant to me. By "higher" class, I meant a larger class that includes "Music Ainur" and "non-Music Ainur", which doesn't exist in Tolkien's works. As for Nahar, again I'll need a quote on the "certainly was Maia". You seem to have lots of certainties without anything to support them. – isanae Oct 04 '16 at 16:51
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    Something to consider is that "firstborn" may not be referring to chronology here, but rather to a status of esteem. This could be influenced by Tolkien's Christian background. Consider Colossians 1:15-16, which refers to Christ as the "firstborn over all creation." This is a reference to Christ's status and authority and an allusion to the fact the firstborn receives a greater inheritance, not the chronology of His physical incarnation. I think this is worth looking into, but I'm not going to try to answer because I have no sources to show the connection or intention. – jpmc26 Oct 04 '16 at 23:28
  • @Nathaniel I am now picturing that scene at the end of Guardians of the Galaxy involving Groot. Maybe all the Ents derive from clippings and are all clones. Cut off Treebeard's pinkie, produce lil' Treefolk. Not of woman born? – Ber Nov 03 '16 at 21:54