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This question assumes a few facts that could very well be untrue:

Jon Snow is the child of Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen and he wishes to claim the Iron Throne.

Given these facts, he would have a valid claim by blood, but this claim would be hard to prove since Ned Stark is dead.

How could he assert his claim on the Iron Throne?

This question isn't a duplicate since I'm not asking how valid his claim is. I'm asking how he could assert his (possible) claim on the iron throne.

JS Lavertu
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The scene we see in Season 6 Episode 3, Oathbreaker where Bran is having his flashback.

This scene is known as the Tower of Joy. This was Ned's attempt to rescue Lyanna. Howland Reed was the only other survivor of the encounter. He is still alive at this point and is the Lord of Greywater Watch. Howland will be able to support Jon's claim.


It is also possbile that Jon was legitimized by Robb and may have claim to Winterfell.

In A Storm of Swords, Robb and Catelyn have the following conversation:

“Mother.” There was a sharpness in Robb’s tone. “You forget. My father had four sons.”

She had not forgotten; she had not wanted to look at it, yet there it was. “A Snow is not a Stark.”

“Jon’s more a Stark than some lordlings from the Vale who have never so much as set eyes on Winterfell.”

“Jon is a brother of the Night’s Watch, sworn to take no wife and hold no lands. Those who take the black serve for life.”

“So do the knights of the Kingsguard. That did not stop the Lannisters from stripping the white cloaks from Ser Barristan Selmy and Ser Boros Blount when they had no more use for them. If I send the Watch a hundred men in Jon’s place, I’ll wager they find some way to release him from his vows.”

He is set on this. Catelyn knew how stubborn her son could be. “A bastard cannot inherit.”

“Not unless he’s legitimized by a royal decree,” said Robb. “There is more precedent for that than for releasing a Sworn Brother from his oath.”

Robb then has a council with his lords as follows:

He picked up a sheet of parchment. “One more matter. Lord Balon has left chaos in his wake, we hope. I would not do the same. Yet I have no son as yet, my brothers Bran and Rickon are dead, and my sister is wed to a Lannister. I’ve thought long and hard about who might follow me. I command you now as my true and loyal lords to fix your seals to this document as witnesses to my decision.”

It's not clear what has happened to that sheet of parchment. Robb then sent Galbart Glover and Maege Mormont to Howland Reed at Greywater Watch, but the written messages they carried were false, in case they were captured.

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    One person attesting something is generally speaking not enough. – TLP May 09 '16 at 15:05
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    As TLP said, he could provide a good support, but I think most of the realm's reaction would be something along the lines of "k" – JS Lavertu May 09 '16 at 15:06
  • @TLP OP is not asking about how strong the claim will, but how it could be done. We see Ned set off the events of the War of the Five kings by himself... a person with sufficient reputation in the Kingdom could spark enough faith in the claim, or at least enough interest to investigate further. – Skooba May 09 '16 at 15:08
  • @Skooba Investigate what? If it is as you say that Howland is the only one who knows, then who would know anything worthwhile to add? Don't get me wrong, this is the answer most people give to this question, I just don't see how it would realistically be done. – TLP May 09 '16 at 15:16
  • @TLP Marvin Gaye gives us that answer... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hajBdDM2qdg – Skooba May 09 '16 at 15:20
  • I agree with TLP, Reed is one man and isn't powerful enough that his words would be taken seriously by lords of Realm unless Jon shows some miracle proving his Dragonblood e.g. Claiming Rhaegel for his mount. – Aegon May 16 '16 at 10:51
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    @NSNoob If Jon becomes Lord of Winterfell / Warden of the North and it can be substantiated by Howland Reed the bloodlines... Littlefinger has gone further on less. – Skooba May 16 '16 at 12:42
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Daenerys will meet Jon when she comes west, as foretold in the prophecy she received in the house of the Undying of Qarth

A blue flower grew from a chink in a wall of ice, and filled the air with sweetness. .. mother of dragons, bride of fire...

Daenerys is the rightful heir to the throne, her dragons have been foreshadowed (for example in the scene with Brown Ben Plumm) as having the ability to "smell" Targaryen blood, and likely she will come with a huge army at her back and just conquer Westeros. When she finds Jon, he claims a dragon, they marry, done deal. :) That is to say, Jon will take the throne with Dany's help.

That is how I've always seen it happening in the books, at least. In the tv-show, it may be different.

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  • I don't think Dany is the type to share her 'Throne' after all she's been through. Jon is not the type to just bend over for his 'wife' and let her rule. He's an honorable man and for such men, women are not suitable candidates for kingship. This has also been proved by the Iron islands kingship matters where Asha tries to take the throne for herself and the priest denies her that claiming 'No woman will ever rule the Iron islands'. Its related. Just my opinion. – Sorrel Vesper May 10 '16 at 07:37
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    @SorrelVesper Don't confuse the Iron Islands with Westeros. Jon will rally the north to his cause, and they will meet as equals, and fall in love. Besides, its what Targaryens do, they marry their siblings. – TLP May 10 '16 at 14:26
  • This is all just speculation. And Jon is a half Stark. He won't bend his honor in such a way. No matter what, he was raised by Eddard Stark. Dany is stupid. She makes stupid decisions and pay for it. All her conquests have been countered by some slave masters. If we are speculating, we could call Tyrion a Targ as well. He may have a better shot to bed Dany. He I can see as a advisor to his wife kinda husband. – Sorrel Vesper May 10 '16 at 14:50
  • @TLP Jon and Daenerys aren't siblings however; Rather aunt and nephew. – Aegon May 16 '16 at 10:46
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    @SorrelVesper Aegon the Conqueror was a honorable man and he left governance of the realm mostly in hands of his sisters, his Queens. Dornish have been choosing Women as their Princess for all their history since Nymeria landed. Honorable men aren't by default misogynists. – Aegon May 16 '16 at 10:48
  • Example of Iron Islands is completely unsuited. They are different from rest of the Westeros in every way possible. – Aegon May 16 '16 at 10:50
  • All of the above and Jon does not really want to rule. He never dwelled on dreams of being a lord or even the Lord of Winterfell. He reluctantly takes the role of Lord Commander and when he does, he moves into the smith's house in a secluded corner of Castle Black. There isn't any trace of him wanting to occupy a portion of any of its towers, as his position and title did/do/should warrant. I also think I remember him being confronted with the chance of becoming a legitimate Stark and he actively refused. I can picture him being happy about Dany taking the throne and leaving him well alone – user1129682 May 18 '16 at 09:32
  • @user1129682 actually Jon did dream about being Lord of winterfell when he was a child. He grew out of it however and felt shameful on feeling that way. – Aegon May 31 '16 at 16:15
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I believe claiming the throne in Westeros is no different than claiming a throne in the medieval Europe. Anyone can claim throne but if you want people to take you seriously, you need to have three things:

  1. Legitimacy
  2. Capability
  3. Power

Legitimacy: If the R+L=J is true, Jon has a legitimate claim to the throne. We do not even need Daenerys to legitimize this part.

Capability: Jon demonstrated his capability as the Lord Commander of the Night's Watch. Because of his successful ruling, many wildlings now follow him.

Power: Jon currently possesses little power to be taken serious. But, if/when he unites the North, if Iron Bank supports his cause as they did with Stannis, and if Daenerys joins his cause, he might then attract attention of the other houses.

Note that Daenerys has all three of these right now.