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One of my friends wants me to shoot some picture of him/people at the club where he is a DJ. But I just started out so I don't have so much knowledge on it so I need some help.

My gear:

  • Sony α6300 camera
  • Sony 10-18 mm F/4 Wide Angle Lens
  • Sony 30 mm f3.5 Macro Lens

What can I use of my gear?

What am I missing that I need to buy? (maybe a camera flash but what kind)

What camera setting do I need?

Michael C
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You're asking for a "quick tip" or two on how to shoot one of the most challenging assignments a photographer can draw.

Photography is the recording of light. The less light there is to record, the tougher the job of the photographer gets and greater the need for photographer's tools with higher capabilities. Almost everything you learn as a photographer is put to use in one way or another shooting a dynamic scene in low light. No matter how good your gear is you're shooting right at the edge of the envelope of its technical limits.

A club is pretty much a club. They're usually dark environments, often have various kinds of special effect lighting, and people are always in motion. There's not a lot of difference between a school dance, a night club, a wedding reception at night, or an event center hosting a dance party when it comes to the photographic challenges of shooting such an event.

Because of the breadth of knowledge, experience, and skill needed to shoot such an event well, much of the answer below includes links to other questions/answers here at Photography.stackexchange that address that particular aspect of shooting in such an environment and include the nuts and bolts of ways to get those types of shots.

How you shoot it depends to a large degree on what kind of pictures you wish to come away with.

In general you want to use the fastest (widest aperture) lens at your disposal that has a focal length you can use for the shots you want. A 50mm f/1.8 or similar is a good place to start. If you're using a camera with a smaller than full frame sensor, though, you'll probably need something a little wider angle. A 17-50 f/2.8 zoom is usually a good bet for an APS-C camera and there are a few good examples of such lenses on the market. Although this question concentrates on concert photography, the lens issues are very similar when shooting a dance or shooting a concert in a dim club (as the second part of the top answer discusses). Again, this question is also about concert photography but this answer and the comments cover a lot of ground on how to focus in such an environment and minimize motion blur when you wish to freeze your subjects.

You'll be shooting in a dark environment. But your camera doesn't really know that. I mean, the light meter will know there isn't much light in the scene, but it won't know that all of those black shadows don't need to be exposed as medium gray. If you let the camera completely decide exposure, you'll probably wind up with a lot of stuff that looks like the example included in What went wrong with this concert photo and what could I have done to make it better? If you're using a semi-automatic mode, such as Aperture Priority, use -1 to -2 stops of exposure compensation. Understanding how much EC to use and when to use it is an acquired skill that comes with practice and experience. I normally shoot a combination of Aperture Priority (Av) and Manual (M) exposure modes in such a setting. Most cameras will let you set a minimum shutter speed to be used when Av mode is combined with a flash. Without a minimum shutter speed, when using Av exposure mode with flash the camera will assume you want it to slow sync and will quite possibly select shutter speeds much slower. I usually set that to 1/60 second, enter about -1 stop EC and then kick the ISO up until the ambient light in the background is bright enough. Don't be surprised if you need to use somewhere in the neighborhood of ISO 3200-6400 with an f/2.8-f/4 lenses. I usually control flash power via E-TTL and Flash Exposure Compensation when the distances between the flash(es) and subject(s) are constantly changing. Even when I go to Manual setting of aperture and shutter speed I usually let the E-TTL system set my flash power when moving around a dance floor.

You can expect to do extensive post processing to deal with the mixed light sources and increasingly common magenta tinged LED lighting found in clubs. Saving your images as raw files will allow much more flexibility and a wider latitude of adjustment to colors in post.

How was this taken/edited? is a look at how this image was shot/processed:

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Do you want posed shots of couples/small groups with their friends? Use as much of the ambient light as you can and add only as much as you need with a flash mounted on or near the camera to make sure the people are lit well without killing the "feel" of the light in the room. (Please see the answer linked above for more specifics on how to do it.)
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Do you want photos of people having fun on the dance floor? Set up a couple of off-camera flashes controlled by wireless triggers in the room. At this small party I had the flashes on the edges of the room and shot from the middle of the dance floor. This wasn't my best shot of the night but it lets you see how the flash was on the window sill behind the girl on the left in the orange sweatshirt. Shoot with the flash(es) in one spot for a while, then try moving them around to get a different look. If there's a good white or neutral colored ceiling or wall around use it to bounce the light from your flash. Off camera flash
If there's a DJ with a lot of flashing/rotating/strobing lights shoot from a position that puts those lights behind you and slightly to one side. That allows you to catch the lights as they play on the revelers on the dance floor.
lasers, etc.
Or shoot from the other side of the crowd so the source of the lights can be seen.
Into the light You can prefocus with your camera at eye-level (looking through the viewfinder) and then hold the focus while you raise the camera over your head to get a higher perspective and shoot over the people on the edge that often block your view of some of the action you want to capture. Wider angle lenses give you more room for error (and cropping in post). If you use back-button AF you can hold focus and take several shots before bringing the camera back down. The best stuff at parties is always in the center of a ring of people!
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Is there a band or DJ in a poorly lit corner? This answer emphasises why saving RAW instead of JPEG data in dance/club settings can make a HUGE difference in the finished images!
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  • So it look like that i cant use any of my lens for this ? – RisingCode Jul 18 '18 at 23:39
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    It will be tough. Night clubs are even tough with f/2.8 zooms. Fast primes are the name of the game. But it's more than just gear. It's the photographer's knowledge and skill. That takes practice for which there is no shortcut. – Michael C Jul 18 '18 at 23:50
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    Of course you can use your current gear! Go out and shoot. This isn't a commercial job requiring first-time first-class results and your friend isn't only working there for one night. Experiment, try again next week. – Laurence Jul 19 '18 at 00:16
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    Both Michael and Laurence are right here. Just go out and shoot. Don't forget that most people with smartphones (or just a few years ago, point-and-shoots) got plenty of shots that were technically crap, but that they also liked. the vast majority of people care more about having the shots of themselves and friends, than they do about whether the shot is technically the best. It will take awhile before you get shots as good as the first one in Michael's answer. But you won't get there if you don't take plenty of shots for fear of failing. – scottbb Jul 19 '18 at 02:38
  • Having shoot some in such an enviroment I can add one thing. Stabilisation is huge in this setting. Then a slower shutter speed can bre used and one can time taking photos when the main subject is relativly stationary. – lijat Jul 19 '18 at 05:13
  • Just a quick follow-up comment: Neither the answer above nor the first comment is response to the OP's comment is meant to imply that the OP can't or shouldn't try shooting with what the OP already has. But the question did ask "what gear do i need?" One would be remiss to say that the difference between f/3.5-4 lenses and f/1.4-2 lenses doesn't matter when shooting in a club. It can make a world of difference. But, as the answer also points out, it also takes a lot of knowledge, skill, and experience on the part of the photographer to do it well with either. – Michael C Jul 19 '18 at 22:14
  • @lijat Unless you're wanting intentionally blurred motion, people move too fast in clubs for IS to do much good. Most of the image aboves where shot with an unstabilized 50mm f/1.4. Good camera stabilization techniques are needed, but shutter times below about 1/60-1/100 are going to show subject motion, even if there is no evidence of camera motion. – Michael C Jul 22 '18 at 20:42
  • The shoots where I recomended IS are ones where the main subject momentarily is standing still. It might just be an instant between two dance moves. Here I have managed to use speeds of 1/15 rearly and 1/30 more often and get away with good images. The keeper rate is not that great thou. (This is using a compact panasonic lx3 f2 iso 200 and trying to maximize my use of the club lights) – lijat Jul 23 '18 at 05:28
  • Why do you need IS to shoot handheld at 1/30 with focal lengths typically used in night clubs? Back in the film days I used to get a pretty good hit rate using 1/15 with a 50mm when in dark environments. 1/30 was pretty much a given. – Michael C Jul 23 '18 at 06:14
  • An APSC 17-50 f/2.8 zoom doesn't exist on the sony e mount platform. Nothing even close. – sjakubowski Jul 25 '18 at 20:41
  • @sjakubowski Sure there is. Any Canon EF, Nikon F, Pentax K, etc. mount 17-50/2.8 or 17-55/2.8 can be adapted to the Sony e-mount. I mean, that's one of the selling points that the Sony fanboys all cite, isn't it? – Michael C Jul 26 '18 at 02:27
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On-camera flash will kill the vibe completely, unless you want a few simple record shots of your friend at his console. But club lighting should present you with plenty of dramatic lighting opportunities.

Getting close to the action with the wide-angle is dramatic and effective. This is going to be largely low-light photography, so set the 'film speed' high and prepare for a lot of dud shots between the good ones! Manual focus will be more useful than auto.

I'm going to duck the issue of whether the clubbers WANT to be photographed. Most won't care. A few might be out with the 'wrong' person :-)

Here's some shots of a live gig, not a DJ. Same idea though. No special gear. Doesn't hurt to have London's river as a backdrop though! Does the grain bother you? No, me neither.

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  • what ISO setting do i need ? – RisingCode Jul 18 '18 at 23:41
  • @RisingCode How bright is the light in the club? What is the slowest shutter time you can use to capture the image you want? – Michael C Jul 18 '18 at 23:49
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    I disagree about never using flash in clubs. They key is to get it off camera and to use it at low enough power to blend it well with what little ambient lighting there is. Some shots work better with it, others work better without it. In some places it is absolutely necessary, in others it isn't. – Michael C Jul 19 '18 at 00:01
  • Did you mean : "Overpowered on-camera flash without ambient light will kill the vibe completely"? – Eric Duminil Jul 19 '18 at 06:36
  • @Michael Clark What about a flash diffuse so people don't get so light up – RisingCode Jul 19 '18 at 08:06
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    @RisingCode It all depends on the diffuser. But most of the ones people use on speedlights don't do much except bounce it everywhere in a room, which is the last thing you want in a club. Get the flash off camera and use it as a hard (but not overpowering) kicker from an angle to your subjects. I'd avoid what I call 'tupperware'. Usually a 'gel' to match the color of the flash to the ambient lights is all the diffusion you need. – Michael C Jul 19 '18 at 09:16
  • I would go with auto ISO, the lighting is bound to change from shot to shot. Use the largest aperture you have and set the speed only to get the shot you want. Let the camera choose the ISO setting. – Robin Jul 19 '18 at 16:45
  • @MichaelClark: Isn't it quite a hassle to use the flash off-camera in a club? Do you use an assistant to hold it? I am quite happy with the results if I keep it on-camera, as a fill about 2 stops underexposed, with a full CTO gel. – Orbit Jul 21 '18 at 10:26
  • @Orbit It depends on the club in terms of things like: the number of bodies/sqft, the age/maturity/inebriation level of the core clientele, etc. Many of my 'off camera' flash photos in clubs are taken using a simple bracket to move the flash away from the center of the optical axis of the lens, or even holding the flash in my left hand while holding the camera in my right. In both such cases, the flash is connected to the hot shoe via an "off shoe cord." There are also times when it is practical to place a wireless flash at some point in the facility that keeps it away from the club goers. – Michael C Jul 21 '18 at 10:32
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The other answers already answer the questions posed but there is one more thing that you should keep in mind with this specific camera. It has great low light capabilities and resolution but pretty strong rolling shutter. This might be an issue when shooting with some lights, especially strobe lights.

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