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I'm having trouble understanding his brothers' plotting to kill Joseph (Genesis 37:18–22). Yes, they hated him, but how could they do such a terrible thing? I know S'forno / Rabbi S.R. Hirsch / Haamek Davar's explanation, that they saw him approaching, thought he was planning to get them cursed and (thus) dead, and acted in self-defense — but I find it very unsatisfying: all they saw was that he was approaching: is that really enough to get off on self-defense, even with a history? I also have heard a midrash that they convened a court on the spot and found him guilty and liable to the death penalty — but find that very unsatisfying, too: can they act as witnesses and judges on a case they're not disinterested in?

So I still lack an understanding of how they could do such a terrible thing, a lack that's unfilled by any of the other commentaries I've seen.

(I'm assuming, as do all the commentaries I've seen, that they were righteous individuals, as was Joseph.)

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    Let's say some commentators go with the peshat that they were driven by hate and jealousy, would that be an acceptable answer, or are you only looking for those who claim that they were without fault, or nearly without fault? – mevaqesh Dec 23 '17 at 23:39
  • @mevaqesh, if commentators go with that (specifically on their murder plot), that's sufficient. – msh210 Dec 24 '17 at 04:13
  • Related I just posted a question why they took the dreams seriously: https://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/97621/why-did-brothers-take-yossefs-dreams-seriously – Al Berko Dec 10 '18 at 12:55

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This bothered me too. I don't want to judge but I do want to understand what they were thinking. The answer I received from a teacher was that the shevatim saw Joseph's actions as egocentric in a similar vein to Esav's. They were afraid that he would ruin the spiritual mission of the family. In this context they had to act in some way. I am inspired to take time to make my decisions even when my motivation is correct. I also am comforted to know that Hashem made great good come from this which seemed bad.

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  • I liked your way of thinking - see my answer. This is not the Pshat, but don't be afraid. Why do you think would they compare Yosef to Eisau? – Al Berko Dec 25 '17 at 18:12
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Perhaps one can say as follows.

Avrohom had two sons. His blessing passed primarily to one. Same with Yitzchok.

Yaakov stole the blessing from Eisov. Wrong or right, he hung Eisov out to dry.

The brothers saw Yaakov treating Yoseif differently, making him a special tunic. They knew Yaakov had loved Rochel more than Leah and figured Yosef was Yaakov's vision for the future of his blessing. If this wasn't enough, Yosef was now announcing dreams he was having about them bowing down to him, in the presence of both them and their father.

In their minds they realize that Yoseif is being set up to be the next "father," like Yaakov and Yitzchok before him. And like Yaakov and Yizchok's brothers, they realize that they are about to be cut out of klal Yisroel; just like Eisov and Yishmoel.

What had their father done in this situation? From their perspective -- he did what he had to do. So would they.

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  • What's the source of this speculation? 2. And then what? Does killing Yosef promote them into the next "Father"?
  • – Al Berko Dec 01 '18 at 18:02
  • No source. 2. It removes the domination of one over the rest and leaves only equal brothers.
  • – Dov F Dec 02 '18 at 19:56
  • Where's the Divinity? What's the holy point of that? Pure revenge? self-defense? How does it bring the Geulah? – Al Berko Dec 02 '18 at 20:23
  • Protection of klal yisroel. – Dov F Dec 07 '18 at 18:51
  • Short comments don't help to clarify your point. You said "only equal brothers", but they were never truly equal - Reuven was the firstborn and slept with..., Levi was Levy, Yehuda was a designated king, Binyomin was from Rochel and others were from servants (Bilha and Zilpah) they weren't equal, so how Yossef was so unequal to deserve being killed? – Al Berko Dec 08 '18 at 16:20
  • Because he seemed to be raising himself above them. Equal doesn't mean the same roles, but there is a concept of לבלתי רום לבבו מאחיו. – Dov F Dec 09 '18 at 23:41
  • what was he different from Yehuda that Torah says וירד - meaning he was above before? – Al Berko Dec 10 '18 at 00:45
  • It doesn't say וירד מעל אחיו but וירד מאת אחיו. He went down from the high level of being with his brothers but he had not been a ruler over them. It is true that he had taken a leadership position but there is a difference between an equal brother filling a leadership role when necessary and with consent (Yehuda) and a brother who conquers and rules over his brother (e.g. Yaakov and Esav). I am suggesting the brothers suspected Yosef of being the latter type of brother. – Dov F Dec 11 '18 at 14:39
  • If Jacob's sons had a problem with their father, they should have killed HIM not Joseph. Joseph did not choose to be Jacob's favorite - Jacob did. –  Dec 15 '22 at 00:55