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Below slokas from the Gita are actually a bit mystical in nature:

BG 8.23-8.26

— O best of the Bhāratas, I shall now explain to you the different times at which, passing away from this world, the yogī does or does not come back.

— Those who know the Supreme Brahman attain that Supreme by passing away from the world during the influence of the fiery god, in the light, at an auspicious moment of the day, during the fortnight of the waxing moon, or during the six months when the sun travels in the north.

— The mystic who passes away from this world during the smoke, the night, the fortnight of the waning moon, or the six months when the sun passes to the south reaches the moon planet (but) again comes back.

According to Vedic opinion, there are 2 ways of passing from this world – one in light and one in darkness. When one passes in light, he does not come back; but when one passes in darkness, he returns.

Vivekananada and Yogananada, both the Yogis left their body and departed during the night time. Same thing goes for Osho Rajneesh who left during the evening.
Note: Though Ramkrishna Paramahamsa died during early morning.

Now the followers of all the above 3 Yogis believe that they attained Moksha or Mahasamadhi or the Supreme abode.

  1. Does that mean that above slokas actually don't make much sense?
  2. With general rule of probability, 50% of people are likely to get Moksha. Is it Justified?
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    good question. Although you will get two possible answers here, the followers would say 'He did attain moksha' the non-followers would say 'He didn't attain Moksha'. The real Truth is: There is no way to tell whether or not someone has attained Moksha, unless you have attained it yourself. Scripturally speaking, according to Advaita, there are two types of liberation, one is Jivan Mukti, and the other is Videha Mukti. Jivan mukti is self-realization that is achieved while living in the body, by realizing the Self as God. Videha Mukti is that which is achieved while leaving the body. – Sai Sep 21 '15 at 14:36
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    According to the advaitins, the saints Swami Vivekananda and Paramahansa Yogananda (and many many many other self-realized saints) were Jivanmuktas. In other words, they have realized who they really are. Upon such realization, they leave their body whenever they want. They stay on the Earth until they have done their task allotted to them by themselves and then when they decide to leave, they leave. All the best sir. – Sai Sep 21 '15 at 14:39
  • @Sai Even in Videha Mukti, pretty much all the commentators agree that time of death doesn't matter; see my answer. By the way, I'm curious: do Advaitins believe that Jivanmuktas always remain alive until the exhaustion of their Prarabdha Karma, or they believe that in some cases a Jivanmukta can give up his body even though he has some remaining Prarabha Karma? – Keshav Srinivasan Sep 21 '15 at 15:06
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    @Sai In Sri Vaishnavism, in most cases a performer of Sharanagati has to experience all his Prarabdha Karma. But there's a special form of Sharanagati called Artha Prapatti where someone who has a burning desire to see Vishnu in his abode of Paramapadam right this second can request Vishnu to eliminate even his Prarabdha Karma so that he can depart the Earth immediately. Most Sri Vaishnava Acharyas don't choose this, because they want to help lead others to Sharanagati and they don't want to miss the chance to worship the divinely created statues of Vishnu on Earth, but Manavala Mamunigal did. – Keshav Srinivasan Sep 21 '15 at 15:13
  • @KeshavSrinivasan In general Advaitins believe that from the perspective of the mukta or self-realized being (AKA Absolute viewpoint), there is no prarabdha karma, however from the relative standpoint which is from the view of a non-realized being, some say that the body stays as long as there is prarabdha, while some say that the body stays for some Divine Will. but normally, when it comes to the relative standpoint, nobody really enters into conflicts or discussions, because as per Advaita, the focus of relative standpoint is to grasp the concept and aspire for Self realization. All the best – Sai Sep 21 '15 at 19:20
  • @Sai "some say that the body stays as long as there is prarabdha, while some say that the body stays for some Divine Will." Well, those don't seem contradictory to me; the body can easily accomplish some divine purpose while it is experiencing Prarabdha Karma. The key question is, are there situations where the Jivanmukta finishes whatever divine purpose he's supposed to fulfill before his Prarabdha karma is exhausted, and as a result he departs the Earth before he's experienced all his Prarabdha karma? Again, this is all from the relative perspective. – Keshav Srinivasan Sep 21 '15 at 19:45
  • @KeshavSrinivasan Well saying that the body remains due to prarabdha means that there is nothing that can be done until the prarabdha is finished. However to say that he remains in the body until there is divine will, would mean that his prarabdha may or may not be fully finished. Hope it is clearer now. Both are not necessarily contradictory however they are not always compatible either. Playing the Divine will could be His prarabdha, just as going through prarabdha could be divine will. This kind of questioning would put an end to the relative viewpoint. :) – Sai Sep 21 '15 at 21:27
  • @Sai Haha yeah, there's a lot of possibilities. In any case, do you know any examples of Advaitins who have said that Jivanmuktas sometimes leave the body before the Prarabdha Karma is exhausted? – Keshav Srinivasan Sep 21 '15 at 21:36
  • @Sai By the way, I think you're overstating things when you say "when it comes to the relative standpoint, nobody really enters into conflicts or discussions". There's an illustrious 1200 years of discussion and debate in the Advaita Sampradayam, both with other schools and among themselves, over what is and isn't true from the relative standpoint. Now Advaitins believe ultimately you have to go beyond that, but until you've reached that it's important for the student to have a correct intellectual understanding. Otherwise why would Adi Shankaracharya spend time refuting Purvapaksha arguments? – Keshav Srinivasan Sep 21 '15 at 21:46
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    @KeshavSrinivasan I will look for some good examples. As for '1200 years ...' well I am no judge of anyone. But here is an example. In Ramayana, Lord Rama waged a war against Lanka. In Mahabharata, Sri Krishna participated in the war against Kauravas. For the time and situation it is necessary. But that doesn't mean that one is free to wage war in modern times. Similarly Adi Shankaracharya was an Avatar, on a mission, to resurrect the true Knowledge. It was necessary for the situation. But most modern Advaita saints emphasize the need for unity and acceptance of all paths nowadays :). Thanks!! – Sai Sep 21 '15 at 22:10
  • @Sai Yeah, I certainly agree that a lot of Advaita Acharyas today place more emphasis on unity, ever since the time of Vivekananda. And yeah, in Adi Shankaracharya's day, Advaita (and Vedanta as a whole) was a small minority viewpoint compared to the Purva Mimamsa school, Buddhism, and Jainism. Nowadays, it's a large school with well-established doctrines, to the point where almost half of all Brahmins are Iyers! (And almost all Hindus are now Vedantins of some kind.) – Keshav Srinivasan Sep 21 '15 at 22:21
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    Your interpretation it too literal. The commentators I have read agree with Keshav's answer. btw, Vivekananda said he was going to be born again one more time. Not by choice, but because he said he has to accompany Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, and he was going to be born one more time before accepting complete dissolution. – Swami Vishwananda Sep 22 '15 at 06:39
  • @SwamiVishwananda, Ok .. I never knew about Vivekananda saying that. Does that mean that Ramakrishna Paramahamsa also going to born 1 more time? Do you have that source of prediction? – iammilind Sep 22 '15 at 08:17
  • Ramakrishna said it himself. It's in Chapter 17 of "The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna". He said that He would be born once more. I remember also it might have been another source that he said about 200 years (said it in about 1883) and pointed in a Northwesterly direction from Kolkata. – Swami Vishwananda Sep 22 '15 at 10:52
  • @SwamiVishwananda Did Ramakrishna Paramahamsa discuss the reason why he would be reborn? – Keshav Srinivasan Sep 22 '15 at 15:40
  • @Sai You may be interested in my question here, relating to Adi Shankaracharya and Ramanujacharya's Brahma Sutra commentaries: http://hinduism.stackexchange.com/q/8682/36 This is a case where Adi Shankaracharya and Ramanujacharya seem to be in agreement, but I don't understand both of their reasoning! – Keshav Srinivasan Sep 23 '15 at 07:55
  • @ChinmaySarupria that's a weaker analogy. I cannot see my face without mirror but I can sense it with hands or even skin. Similarly Moksha is not provable but sensible. This is just based on legends. Nevertheless the underneath question is, why is there a condition for time of death for Moksha? – iammilind Oct 24 '15 at 05:22

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Other than Prabhupada's ISKCON commentary, pretty much all other commentators on the Bhagavad Gita interpret these verses as not referring to the time of death, but rather to the names of the series of gods who escort the soul on the path to Brahmaloka/Moksha. This path is described in the Panchagni Vidya of the Chandogya and Brihadaranyaka Upanishads, as I discuss in this question, this question, and this question. (I also posted this question about the origin of the Panchagni Vidya.)

Here is how the Chandogya Upanishad describes the path:

Those who know this and those who in the forest follow faith and austerities go to light (arkis), from light to day, from day to the light half of the moon, from the light half of the moon to the six months when the sun goes to the north, from the six months when the sun goes to the north to the year, from the year to the sun, from the sun to the moon, from the moon to the lightning. There is a person not human, He leads them to Brahman (the conditioned Brahman). This is the path of the Devas.

And here is how the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad describes it:

Those who thus know this, and those who in the forest worship faith and the True, go to light (arkis), from light to day, from day to the increasing half, from the increasing half to the six months when the sun goes to the north, from those six months to the world of the Devas (Devaloka), from the world of the Devas to the sun, from the sun to the place of lightning. When they have thus reached the place of lightning a spirit comes near them, and leads them to the worlds of the (conditioned) Brahman. In these worlds of Brahman they dwell exalted for ages. There is no returning for them.

Note that the terms in this passage, like "day" and "year" aren't destinations as such; it's not like there's a place called "the day" that the soul goes to. Rather, it refers to the god of the day, the god of the year, the god of lightning etc. These gods are involved in escorting the soul to Brahmaloka/Moksha: the first god leads the soul to a certain place, then the second god leads it even further, etc., until finally a being whom I discuss here escorts it to the final destination. See Adi Shankaracharya's commentary on the Brahma Sutras here and here.

Like I said, almost all the commentators say that the Gita verses are referring to the path described in the Panchagni Vidya. Here is what Adi Shankaracharya says in his commentary on Gita verse 8.24:

As the expression ‘mango grove’ is used with regard to a place where mango trees are more numerous, similarly, the expressions ‘at which time’ and ‘that time’ (in the earlier verse) are used in view of the predominance (of the deities presiding over time). [If the first two (fire and light) are taken as Vedic deities, then the remaining three are the only deities of time. Still, the latter being numerically greater, all the five deities are referred to as deities of time. The deities of both the Paths-of gods and manes, or of the Northern and the Southern Paths as they are called-who are gods of time, are referred to here as ‘time’ by such words as day, fortnight, six months, etc.] So also, ahah, daytime, means the deity of daytime. Suklah, the bright fortnight, implies the deity presiding over the bright fortnight. Sanmasah uttarayanam, the six months of the Northern solstice-here, too, is understood the deity presiding over the Path. This is the principle (of interpretation followed elsewhere (in the Upanisads also).

And here is what Ramanujacharya says in his commentary on the same verse:

Here, the term ‘time’ denotes a path, having many deities beginning with day and ending with year. The deities preside over divisions of time. The meaning is — I declare to you the path departing in which Yogins do not return and also the path departing in which the doers of good actions return. By the clause, ‘Light in the form of fire, the day, bright fortnight, six months of the northern course,’ year also is denoted.

And here is what Madhvacharya says:

It should be understood that Agni, Archi, Ahah and others are the presiding demigods of the respective time periods. Otherwise it would not be in accordance with the Vedic scriptures to say that during the daytime one reaches the bright waxing time of the month. The Brahma Purana states: Since in essence there only exists days which also includes nights, how can one situated in equanimity be said to have achieved the brahman only in the day during the bright waxing time of the month. So it is clear to the lucid that the presiding demigods in tandem with their corresponding time periods is the only logical interpretation in accordance with Vedic scriptures.

By the way, it should be noted that while Ramanujacharya and Madhvacharya see this path as the direct path to Moksha, Adi Shankaracharya only sees this path as a path to Brahmaloka, as I discuss here and here. Now Adi Shankaracharya did believe that the inhabitants of Brahmaloka would eventually get Moksha once Brahma dies at the end of the Mahakalpa, but it's a much slower route than just getting Moksha as soon as you die. So insofar as Vivekananda and the other people you mentioned were Advaitins who wanted Moksha as soon as they died, the Gita verses we're discussing would be irrelevant to their goals.

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  • The 1st & 2nd block quotes are similar but if you can explain their meanings in the context of your answer, it will be more useful. The text written as it is, doesn't make sense to me. Also explain what is "deity of time"? – iammilind Sep 22 '15 at 01:10
  • OK, I added a few sentences explaining the Upanishad quotes. In any case, what doesn't make sense to you? "Deity of time" simply means a god associated with a given period of time. Different gods govern different time periods: there's a god of Monday, a god of Tuesday, a god of daytime, a god of nighttime, a god of the year, etc. – Keshav Srinivasan Sep 22 '15 at 02:07
  • Though I went through the various links you put and the commentaries, I still don't get the convincing substance of the slokas. I would be more interested in the translating a deity as an element of nature rather than the other way. e.g."May Varundev bless" = "Have a sufficient rain" is more understandable to me. Why in the slokas this "deity" word is not explicitly mentioned? This doesn't mean that I don't get what you wrote. This answer is quite informative as your others are and I too have upvoted your answer already as I have done for many of your others. :) – iammilind Sep 22 '15 at 10:31
  • @iammilind I don't know why you have an aversion to talking about the gods, but for better or worse that's what the passages are referring to. Think about the alternative: what would it even mean for someone to "go to the day", "go to the year" etc.? – Keshav Srinivasan Sep 22 '15 at 14:25
  • Adi Sankaracharya says this on the Br. Upanishad quote : http://tinyurl.com/pf82ouy "The flame here does not refer to a tongue of fire, but the deity identified with the flame and called by that name, who is stationed in the northern route. They reach him, for monks have no relation to the flame. Hence word means the deity of that name. ... Since there can be no restriction with regard to the time of death, the word 'day' also means the deity of the day.... Nor do those who die at night wait for the day, for another Sruti says 'He reaches the Sun as quickly as the glance of the mind.'" – Keshav Srinivasan Sep 22 '15 at 14:29
  • But the ultimate proof that it refers to gods and not destinations comes from the Brahma Sutras, which are foundational to the Vedanta school and were composed by Vyasa, an incarnation of Vishnu. Heres what Vyasa says in the Brahma Sutras: http://tinyurl.com/nzjc7j7 "4. (Flame etc., are) conducting deities, owing to the indicative mark to that effect. 5. Because that stands established on account of both (the traveller and the path) being then unconscious." See Adi Sankaracharyas commentaries: http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/sbe38/sbe38305.htm http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/sbe38/sbe38306.htm – Keshav Srinivasan Sep 22 '15 at 14:49
  • @iammilind For instance, in his commentary on Sutra 4 Adi Shankaracharya says "Only if in the case of the light and the rest personal conductors are settled, and those of human nature, it is appropriate to use the attribute 'amânava,' to the end of excluding this (previously established) humanity." That is to say, there would be no need to for the Upanishads to establish that the being that takes you to the final destination is "Amanava" or nonhuman, unless the previous items on the list were human or anthropomorphic beings, i.e. gods. Does that make sense? – Keshav Srinivasan Sep 22 '15 at 15:04
  • @iammilind I added links to Adi Shankaracharya's commentary on the Brahma Sutras to my explanation of the Upanishad quotes, because he presents pretty persuasive arguments for why it has to refer to gods. Also, I just posted a question about the Purana quotes in Madhvacharya's commentary on Gita verse 8.24: http://hinduism.stackexchange.com/q/8680/36 – Keshav Srinivasan Sep 22 '15 at 20:52
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There are 3 main paths of liberation as described in scriptures based on 3 modes of Prakriti:-

1) Bhakti Yoga for Tamas

2) Karma/Kriya Yoga for Rajas

3) Gyan Yoga for Satva

This has been explained by Krishna in Uddhava Geeta(Geeta Press Version)

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1) Bhakti Yoga most suited for Kaliyug and for people with Tamas guna. Type of Liberation explained by Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. Examples, Ramakrishna Paramhans. Followers often worship Vishnu and enter his abodes.

The jivas (individual souls) are all separated parts of the Lord. In bound state the jivas are under the influence of matter, due to their tatastha nature. In the liberated state the jivas are free from the influence of matter, due to their tatastha nature. The jivas and the material world are both different from and identical to the Lord.

2) Karma Yoga/Kriya Yoga(Raja Yoga). Most suited for Dwapar/Treta Yuga or people with Rajas guna(Many of them switch into Bhakti or Gyan) Very diverse topic, includes Pranayama, Karam Kand, Ashtang-Hatha Yoga etc. Yogis travel through Chandra or Surya Marg which has been explained by Krishna in Bhagwat Geeta and Uttara Geeta. Best of Yogis who have control over their Prana, alone can travel through different nerves in body and make their soul(causal body) escape to Sahasrara(Satya Loka) and enter into actual Satya Loka(realm of Brahma) from there and gets liberated along with Brahma, at time of final desolution. Examples, Vivekananda, Yogananda etc.,

  1. Surya Marg :- On the right side spreads the Pingalã Nãdi (i.e., from the sole of the right foot right up to the top of the head where the Sahasrãra exists), it is bright and shining like a great circle of Fire (or the Sun); this product of virtue (Pingalã) is called the vehicle of the devas. (Meaning, that those who can fix their mind in this Nãdi, can journey through the sky like Devas; therefore it is called the "Deva-Yãna" or the vehicle of the Devas.)
  2. Chandra Marg :- On the left side stretches forth the Ida (i.e., from the sole of the left foot up to the Sahasrãra at the top of the head), the brightness of this Nãdi is comparatively less, like the disk or circle of the Moon; it dwells with the breath of the left nostril and it is called the vehicle of the Pitrs. (Meaning, that those who can fix their mind in this Nãdi, can ascend the Pitr Loka and no further; hence it is called "Pitr-Yãna" or the vehicle of the Pitrs.)
  3. In the heart (of the person who thus imagines) dwells the Mahar-Loka, the Jana-Loka exists in the throat, the Tapo-Loka between the two eyebrows, while the Satya-Loka exists in the head.

3) Gyan Yoga. Most suited for Satya Yuga or people with Satva. Gyanis attain Kaivalya Moksha(non-dual union with Brahman). In above 2 paths, soul remains separate from Isht/God/Brahman as long as Brahman Gyan is not attained, but after it is obtained ignorance of self(causal body and subtle body) are destroyed and Brahman alone remains. Examples Adi Shankaracharya, Sadashiva Brahmendra, Raman Maharshi etc., Followers often worship Shiva as Brahman, as it is clear from Gyan Yogis like Dattatreya's work Avadhut Geeta.

Gyan Yog explained by Sanat Kumaras in Mahabharat Shanti Parva.

The Yogin who is desirous of final Emancipation suppresses by Yoga-knowledge the seven, and continues to dwell in the world of life, freed from attachments; and taking those seven for certain means of grief, he casts them off and attains afterwards to that state which is Indestructible and Infinite. When universal destruction comes, those persons who have succeeded in completely consuming by Knowledge their gross and subtle and karana bodies, always enter into Brahman. All their Senses also which have action for their essence and which are not identical with Brahman, merge into the same. When the time of universal destruction comes, those Jivas who have attained to the position of Devas and who have an unexhausted remnant of the fruits of acts to enjoy or endure, revert to those stages of life in the subsequent Kalpa which had been theirs in the previous one. This is due to the similarity of every successive Kalpa to every previous one. Those again whose acts, at the time of universal destruction, have been exhausted by enjoyment or endurance in respect of their fruits, falling down from heaven, take birth among men, in the subsequent Kalpa, for without Knowledge one cannot destroy one's acts in even a hundred Kalpas. When Yogi's Chitta becomes cleansed by Yoga, and when he practises Samyama, this perceptible universe appears to him as only his own fivefold senses. Enquiring with a cleansed mind, Jiva attains to a high and stainless end. Thence he attains to a spot which knows no deterioration, and thence attains to eternal Brahman that is so difficult of acquisition.

  • Very informative. Could you please tell, from where have you added the English explanations of surya marg, chandra marg, the nadis etc. that you posted above in quotes. Are those your personal explanations or were they taken from scriptures, if it's the latter then which scripture and whose translation? Many thanks. – The Crimson Universe Aug 29 '18 at 08:49
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We have to study the slokas in question (Slokas 8:23 to 8:26) along with the following slokas in the same chapter, i.e, chapter 8.

ओमित्येकाक्षरं ब्रह्म व्याहरन्मामनुस्मरन्।

यः प्रयाति त्यजन्देहं स याति परमां गतिम्।।8.13।।

He who departs by leaving the body while uttering the single syllable, viz Om, which is Brahman, and thinking of Me, he attains the supreme Goal.

Here, Sri Krishna clearly stating that He, who departs by leaving the body while uttering the single syllable, viz Om, which is Brahman, and thinking of Me, he attains the supreme Goal.

So according to the above Sloka, there is no question of coming back (or) non-attaining of Moksha by Swami Vivekananda and others, who died fixing their concentration on the BRAHMAN, though they might have died in the night.

The meaning of the slokas 8:23 to 8:26 are to be studied with reference to Karma Yoga, but not in literal sense.

KARMA YOGA says DO YOUR JOB WITHOUT ATTACHMENT SO THAT THE RESULT WILL NOT ACCRUE TO YOU lest you should reap the result. This was what Sri Krishna reiterated in the sloka 8:26.

शुक्लकृष्णे गती ह्येते जगतः शाश्वते मते।

एकया यात्यनावृत्तिमन्ययाऽऽवर्तते पुनः।।8.26।।

These two courses of the world, which are white and black, are verily considered eternal. By the one a man goes to the State of Non-return; by the other he returns again.

If the result does not accrue to the doer, then nothing is left and there is no coming back to this world for reaping the fruits of his previous KARMA.

If the doer does karmas with an intention of getting result, he has to come back to this world for reaping the fruits of his KARMA. This what said in the following sloka.

वेदेषु यज्ञेषु तपःसु चैव

दानेषु यत्पुण्यफलं प्रदिष्टम्।

अत्येति तत्सर्वमिदं विदित्वा

योगी परं स्थानमुपैति चाद्यम्।।8.28।।

Having known this, the yogi transcends all those results of rigtheous deeds that are declared with regard to the Vedas, sacrifices, austerities and also charities, and he reaches the primordial supreme State.


At the time of giving discourse to Arjuna, Sri Krishna was merged in Brahman. Hence, the intricacies of the various Yogas HE mentioned in Gita can be understood and explained by another such Yogi (or) a Sage like Sri Ramana Maharshi.

In order to understand that was stated nearly 5,000 years ago, we need to understand the systems, notions, beliefs, methods prevailing at that time, but should not be judged with the background of our present systems, notions, beliefs, methods.

In case of any doubt, that apparently contradicting the established procedures/beliefs, Scriptures advice of a GURU (OR) an ENLIGHTENED SOUL, though not a scholar.

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Moksha is deliverance from Karma and it is possible only through Bhakti Yoga or Prapathi(Surrender). No one in Kali Yuga is qualified to follow the Bhakti route and hence Prapathi is the only means to achieve it. Only Sriman Narayana can grant Moksha and no other Devatha has the powewr to do so. The saints who were not worshiping Sriman Narayana nor performed Prapathi could not have hence attained Moksha. The souls that are granted Moksha take the Archiradhi Marga (illuminated) and those granted Swarga take the Dhoomadi Marga (Foggy) and those destined to go to Hell the dark Naraka Marga. Advaita does not recognize Moksha as they insist that the illusive Jiva disppears (jivan mukthi) once the Brahmam comes out of its Avidya mode!