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During British rule, the town of Tirupati including its world-renowned Tirumala Venkateshwara Temple came to be controlled by the East India Company, starting in 1801. And the first East India Company official to control the area, a Collector named Stratton, was very interested in the temple, since it's one of the holiest sites in Hinduism, so he sent a bunch of questions to the temple officials asking all about the temple's history, traditions, stories, etc. The record of his questions and their answers is known as the "Sawal-E-Jawab".

In any case, this excerpt from the Sawal-E-Jawab claims that Venkateshwara (the Vishnu deity in Tirupati, AKA Srinivasa or Balaji) is alluded to in the Taittirya Upanishad of the Yajur Veda:

It is said in the Upanishads that [Venkateshwara] is the all-pervading Vishnu present in Vaikunta, on the earth and everywhere. In the Taittiryopanishad, in the fifth Parva called "Narayanam", it is stated that the Lord shines at the farther end of the water, in the middle of this earthly region, and that he makes the other elements shine through his own light. This is quoted from the commentary of Vidyaranya on the said Upanishad.

The reason that "the Lord shines at the farther end of the water" seems like a reference to Venkateshwara is that the Tirumala Venkateshwara Temple is located at the Southern end of the Swami Pushkarini lake.

But my question is, where exactly is this statement in the Taittirya Upanishad? It says it is in the "fifth Parva", but as far as I can tell there's no such thing. You can read the Taittirya Upanishad here; it's only divided into three Vallis, and each Valli is divided into a bunch of Anuvakas. And I tried searching through the work but I couldn't find any such quote. Could the statement be from the Mahanarayana Upanishad instead? The Taittirya Upanishad constitutes the seventh, eighth, and ninth Vallis of the Taittirya Aranyaka of the Yajur Veda. But the tenth Valli of the Taittirya Aranyaka is called the Mahanarayana Upanishad, and the Sawal-E-Jawab does say that the quote is from something called the "Narayanam".

In any case, the Sawal-E-Jawab isn't even claiming to take the statement directly from the Taittirya Upanishad, but rather from a commentary on the Upanishad by Vidyaranya, the brother of Sayana (who wrote a definitive commentary on the Vedas). Does anyone know if Vidyaranya's commentary discusses the quote about being on the farther end of the water?

(P.S. On a side note, some people may be wondering how the Vedas could possibly mention Venkateshwara, when the Vedas were around long before Rama and Krishna, and Venkateshwara came to the earth after Krishna. But when people talk about the Vedas being of unfathomable age, they're talking about the the mantras found in the Samhitas of the Vedas. Those mantras were heard directly from the gods by sages over countless generations, but they were compiled into the Vedic Samhitas by Vyasa at the end of the Dwapara Yuga. So presumably the Brahmanas, Aranyakas, and Upanishads were only added to the Samhitas some time after the beginning of the Kali Yuga. So since the Venkateshwara story took place shortly after the death of Krishna and the start of the Kali Yuga, there would have been enough time for information about him to be included in Upanishads.)

Keshav Srinivasan
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  • @KeshavSrinivasan, Due to the influence of time we are all conditioned to think in a linear fashion. Yugas go in a cyclic manner and Vedas, Upanishads, Puranas are all eternal in nature. If some of us stand in a circle who is first and who is last? It depends on the relative understanding. Having said the much of the Upanishadic/Vedic content is hard to find in its original form. Not now but even 500 years ago stalwarts like Jiva Gosvami discussed about the state of four Vedas and Upanishads in tattva sandarbha. – srinivasacarya dasa Nov 06 '14 at 16:48
  • @user3885927 But this document was just written in 1801, and the Taittirya Upanishad reached its final form long before 1801. So any quotes that existed in the version known in 1801 would still exist today. – Keshav Srinivasan Nov 06 '14 at 17:11
  • @KeshavSrinivasan, Good piont but the problem is to find an authentic copy of the said upanishad that existed prior to 1801. I say authentic because several versions could exist. Unless you find it from the faithful followers of a tradition (not in theory but in practice as well) it's hard to validate the credibility. On an another note reference to Venkatacala as a place of pilgrimage was made in Srimad Bhagavatam 10.79.13 when Lord Balarama tours various sacred sites. There it is said 'drstvadrim venkatam prabhuh' Check: https://www.vedabase.com/en/sb/10/79/11-15 – srinivasacarya dasa Nov 06 '14 at 17:34
  • Not in the Taittirya Upanishad. Sure. – Swami Vishwananda Feb 04 '15 at 14:28
  • @SwamiVishwananda But then why would the Tirupati priests say that it's in the Taittiriya Upanishad? In any case, is it possible that it's in the Mahanarayana Upanishad (which can be considered an extension of the Taittiriya Upanishad), since the quote says it's in a "Parva called "Narayanam""? – Keshav Srinivasan Feb 04 '15 at 14:34
  • It could be the Mahanarayana. Not familiar with the Mahanarayana, and don't have a copy of the Mahanarayana. Only sure it's not the Taittirya. – Swami Vishwananda Feb 04 '15 at 14:42
  • @Krishna OK, that doesn't explain the term "fifth Parva" though. In any case, do you know whether that quote is actually in the Mahanarayana Upanishad? – Keshav Srinivasan Mar 09 '15 at 14:01
  • @Keshav - Just a small correction. I said Vaishnavas consider, that Mahanarayana is part of Taittiriya. Just to rephrase. Infact, it is part of Taittiriya Aranyaka, tenth prapathaka...Some consider it as Khila part. Why, most of the Taittiriya Upanishad books talk about only the first three vallis?. Maybe because Shankara had written commentary for the first 3 only..But shankara does quote from Maha Narayana, in his brahma sutra bhasya.. But, MahaNarayana is absolutely part and parcel of Tatittiriya Aranyaka. –  Mar 10 '15 at 13:17
  • @Krishna Where in his Brahma Sutra Bhashya does Adi Shankaracharya quote the Mahanarayana Upanishad? – Keshav Srinivasan Mar 10 '15 at 13:22
  • @Keshav - Please refer to Shankar bhasya for Brahma sutras sutra:3-3-24 and 3-4-2. These are anuvakas from MaahaNarayana Upanishad, AKA Taittiriya Aranyaka. –  Mar 28 '15 at 16:56
  • @Krishna Thanks. I found the reference to the Mahanarayana Upanishad in 3-3-24; in fact that Sutra is specifically about whether we should combine the Purusha Vidya in the Chandogya Upanishad with the Purusha Vidya in the Tenth Prapathaka of the Taittiriya Aranyaka. So that certainly lends credence to the antiquity of the Mahanarayana Upanishad. But where is the reference in 3-4-2? http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/sbe38/sbe38211.htm – Keshav Srinivasan Mar 28 '15 at 17:46
  • @Keshav - I read, in Principal Upanishads by Dr.N.S.Anantha Rangachar that in VS 3-4-2, shakara bhasya, shankara, quotes the following verse from Mahanarayanupanishad: "Nyasa iti brahma brahmahi paraha parohi brahma ! Thani vaa yethani avarani tapangamsi nyasa...." to establish that a brahma samstha has no karmas to perform. –  Mar 28 '15 at 18:44
  • @Keshav - Well, just because shankara has quoted it doesn't make it great and if hadn't quoted, it doesn't mean that it has no credence. Udaiyavar (Sri ramanujacharya has quoted profusely from MahaNarayana Upanishad both in Vedantha sangraha and Sribhasya). That it self is the credential. Adi Shankara is not the only yard stick to measure the credentials, in my view. Why should we doubt it's credential at all. Acharya, ramanuja will never quote something which contentious or non credential. If, Ramanuja has quoted it is an absolute pramana. No questions can be raised against it. –  Mar 28 '15 at 18:47
  • @Krishna Yeah, I wasn't claiming that Adi Shanakarcharya's reference to it is significant. I meant that the fact that one of the Sutras in the Brahma Sutras is about the Mahanarayana Upanishad testifies to its antiquity. – Keshav Srinivasan Mar 28 '15 at 19:27
  • @Keshav - Also, many of the Yajur sandhya vandhana (Prataha, madhyanika and sayam) mantras are from MahaNarayanaupanishad. All Gayatri's are present in MahaNarayana Upanishad (like Vishnu Gayatri, Rudra Gayatri, Lakshmi Gayatri, Durga Gayatri, Garuda Gayatri etc) So, there is no way one can question the validity or credentials of MahaNarayana Upanishad. –  Mar 28 '15 at 19:33

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