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The Sabatier reaction converts CO2 to methane. Can a vehicle that burns methane recover it (at least some part) from the exhaust gases via the Sabatier reaction? I am interested to know how this would be implemented, and whether such a vehicle has ever been built or prototyped.

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According to Wikipedia:

It [Sabatier reaction ] involves the reaction of hydrogen with carbon dioxide at elevated temperatures (optimally 300–400 °C) and pressures in the presence of a nickel catalyst to produce methane and water. $$ CO_2 + 4H_2 \rightarrow CH_4 + H_2O + \text{Energy} $$

as you can see from the previous chemical reaction, to obtain 1 KMole of $CH_4$ you should have 4 Kmole of Hydrogen as reactants and a reaction medium of 300–400 °C (with god knows how much of catalyst you need).

Comparing to a regular vehicle internal combustion engine running on Methane:

  • Hydrogen is not available in ambient air to the degree that could allow a sustainable Sabatier reaction (it's not Oxygen), meaning you need a separate Hydrogen tank along side with your engine (not to mention the explosive nature of Hydrogen).
  • Preheating the reactants to 300–400 °C would require an external heating system if done using hydrocarbon fuel, it would require an additional combustion chamber and a heat exchanger.
  • Higher heating value of Methane = 889 kJ/Mole and HHV of Hydrogen = 286 kJ/Mole (Wikipedia), so theoretically speaking, the Sabatier reaction would provide you with 1 Mole of CH4 having heating value of 889 kJ by supplying the reactor 4 Moles of H2 that had a heating value of 4 * 286 = 1144 kJ !!
  • The resulting Methane and water have a ratio of 1:1, introducing this mixture with this amount of water to the combustion chamber will give you a VERY low efficiency combustion process, So naturally you need a separation mechanism to lower water content as possible before entering combustion chamber.

So has anyone researched/built a vehicle that burns methane and it recovers it (at least some part) from the exhaust gases via Sabatier reaction?

I really have no idea but from the previous points I don't see it as feasible at all as a conventional internal combustion engine running on Methane.

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  • hydrogen won't be sourced from air, but from the combustion of hydrocarbons (huge amount of H2 in them) and/or electrolysis of H2O (if necessary). 2) heating of 300-400C is very easily achievable, since the exhaust gases are usually 1000C. 3) I don't understand what you mean there, there is no scientific term "heating value" that I know of. 4) of course methane will be isolated from water (not very hard process)
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    @sloupioc (1) Hydrogen from combustion?? (2) Do you have any idea about the size of that "easily achievable" heater? (3)Google it? (4) Everything in your engine is not "hard" and doable - the question is "is it worth it?". – Algo Jul 29 '15 at 12:16
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    @sloupioc Regarding point 3, heating value is another term for heat of combustion. – Chris Mueller Jul 29 '15 at 12:29
  • @Algo 1) you can derive H2 from natural gas with 80% efficiency. And you will recover much of it with Sabatier. 2) Who spoke about heater? The exhaust gases already have 1000C! You don't need a heater, the gases are already heated! 4) well I am looking for a PhD subject, this is not something that could be answered without extensive calculations – sloupioc Jul 29 '15 at 12:50
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    @sloupioc (1) That's a whole another reactor now (And it's not combustion), and again why extract hydrogen from natural gas rather than using it as a fuel already :-))? (2) Exhaust gases are hot but hydrogen tank isn't that's why you need a heater (4) Sure, it seems like a fun project to design, anyway I don't see it as an efficient system at all :)) – Algo Jul 29 '15 at 12:56
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    @sloupioc Semin et al 2008 give an exhaust temperature for a CNG ICE of 750K. You're fighting against the laws of thermodynamics. – 410 gone Jul 29 '15 at 15:04