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The situation occurred in the first lecture of an undergraduate course in a STEM field at an university.

The professor said that there are less than 20% female students in the class, while the usual ratio is 40% (across fields and different academic degrees). The topic was brought up to "discuss microaggressions", such as letting female students do the easier tasks in group work. It should be noted that there is no selection of students for the field of study at the university (apart from a high school diploma) and AFAIK there also is none for the course.

Then the male students were told to "not think they are smarter than their female neighbor", that "your female neighbour not asking questions does not mean that she is not following, maybe she is a lot smarter than you think" and that the professor is much better at the field than all of the male students (the last part was told with a smirk, not sure if it was a joke or a sign of satisfaction) and it was finished with a "GO GIRLS".

These main reasons why I find this offensive/disrespectful:

  1. The students were viewed and addressed primarily through the lense of group membership, and not as individuals.

  2. Replacing "male" with any other group makes the statements offensive or absurd.

  3. While the instructions to not look down on/patronize female students are correct, they are (in my view) indirect accusations of sexism.

  4. The contents of the talk, which took 5-10 minutes, were not related to the lecture and thus were a waste of time for students. The issue might be important, but I was there to learn different contents.

Is my view justified? Is such behavior acceptable for a professor? Should I let the professor know the way I feel?

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(edited this answer to consider some points raised in the comments and try to address OP more constructively)

Yes, it is acceptable for a professor to work to counter the effects of gender discrimination.

Yes, it is acceptable for a professor to warn a male-predominant class to not discriminate against women by giving them the "easy" tasks.

The professor is not accusing you as an individual of sexism, they are pointing out researched ways in which women are discriminated against, especially in STEM areas where women are under-represented.

Although your initial reaction was that this was a waste of time, I think you can use this experience and the feedback you get here as an opportunity to reflect - it seems from your comments that you are open to this.

I'd suggest you try the implicit bias test from Harvard, I was surprised by how much implicit bias it showed that I have. Some research has shown that people who take this sort of test are more introspective about their own biases afterwards. Even if you show little bias on that test, it may be instructive to see how much bias is seen in the population as a whole because people tend to underestimate bias experienced by other groups.

I don't think having implicit bias is something that reflects poorly on any individual, it's more of a product of society. What reflects on individuals is whether they try to become aware of the biases experienced by others and how their own implicit biases might influence their behavior.

I think your professor was trying to point out some of these biases to make students in the class more aware of them. It seems unlikely to me that any men in the course would literally think to themselves "Let's give the women the easy/secretarial tasks in group work!" (and if they do, they are probably never going to be convinced otherwise) - instead, they might accidentally do it by simply not thinking. By simply thinking about it more, and even by asking this question here, it seems to me like your professor was successful, even if you ultimately decide that you disagree with the approach.


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    Discussions about the implicit-bias test have moved to chat. Please use comments only to suggest improvements to the answer or point out major flaws. However, do not do this, if your post could be a different answer to the question. Please read this FAQ before posting another comment. – Wrzlprmft Apr 04 '19 at 08:51
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No, it’s not acceptable. Discrimination against men is just as unacceptable as discrimination against women, and, moreover, the message that she was sending to the women in the class was essentially “Prepare to get discriminated against,” which isn’t a good message to send.

What should you do about it? Talking to her is unlikely to have an effect, because it is very difficult to convince people to alter their political ideologies, and she might have tenure so she might not have anything to fear from you making a complaint to the university.

Instead, just give her a poor rating in your feedback survey for the course, and leave a comment in the general feedback comment section explaining why. Universities use these surveys as a way of evaluating the performance of their instructors, so a poor review may well hit her where it hurts: in the wallet.

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    This comment thread has gone pretty far off track into philosophical territory. Conversation moved to chat. – eykanal Apr 04 '19 at 15:45
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    I downvoted because I think that a strong claim such as "this is discrimination, therefore it's not acceptable" should be backed up by an argument. I do not see the discrimination here. Discrimination to me means that the professor says something like "Male students are actually less intelligent than female ones, in my experience". That would be an unscientific claim based on alleged personal experience that says one group is better than another - and THAT is discrimination. – PoorYorick Apr 05 '19 at 07:23
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    Saying disparaging things about a group in public is also discrimination, especially when you are in a position of relative power and have the ability to create a hostile workplace culture. – nick012000 Apr 05 '19 at 08:36
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    I do not see the OP as having quoted any disparaging remarks from the professor. Can you point them out? – Azor Ahai -him- Apr 05 '19 at 20:00
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    Many universities are shifting away from student feedback as a way of evaluating performance... because it's been shown to be heavily biased against female instructors. – GB supports the mod strike Apr 05 '19 at 21:31
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    @AzorAhai She said that men would discriminate against women, and that's a disparaging remark. – nick012000 Apr 06 '19 at 01:39
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    @nick No, no one said that, and even if she had, asking people not to discriminate isn't disparaging. – Azor Ahai -him- Apr 06 '19 at 15:58
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Is my view justified?

It sounds like you feel disrespected by the professor’s implicit assumption that some members of your gender engage in sexist behaviors and need to be told not to engage in them any more. And yet, you yourself acknowledge that this assumption is likely correct. Her statement was of a general nature; she didn’t personally accuse you of anything, so personally I don’t see why you would feel offended.

Edit (part 1): @ASimpleAlgorithm commented that the professor’s behavior can be seen as a form of gender-based profiling. That is a fair point, and after thinking about it some more, I can see how some people might take issue with that. Given the very minor extent of the profiling, and the fact that OP accepts the premise that the profiling (such that it is) is based on empirically real phenomena of male sexism, I still don’t think there is much to be offended about, but at least I can see where OP is coming from, and think it may be reasonable for OP to find the professor’s behavior annoying.

You are perhaps justified in thinking the discussion was not the best use of the class time, but that would be your opinion, which may differ from other people’s opinion. Not all students have to agree all the time that what a professor is talking about at any given moment is the best thing for them to talk about. Some disagreement on such things is perfectly reasonable and probably unavoidable. But just the fact you think something was a waste of time does not imply that the professor is doing something wrong by talking about it.

Is such behavior acceptable for a professor?

Yes. The professor is doing their job of trying to achieve the best educational outcome for their class. Whether or not I agree that this topic was worth bringing up in class in the way they brought it up, there is nothing about it that qualifies as “unacceptable” behavior, such as harassment or discrimination, as far as I can tell.

Edit (part 2): see the comment I added above in part 1. The professor’s behavior still seems acceptable to me, but I acknowledge that it can be seen as objectionable by reasonable people. And if the professor engaged in similar behavior on multiple occasions even after receiving feedback about the profiling aspect of her behavior, I would probably agree that that would become unacceptable.

Should I let the professor know the way I feel?

You are free to do so, but it’s not clear to me what you are hoping to achieve by doing that. I can’t advise you on whether you should or shouldn’t do it.

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    In fact, the students’ opinions about what is a good use of class time are largely irrelevant compared to the expertise of the professor regarding how to smoothly run a class. This speech is probably arising because of past experiences teaching this class and past behavior of the students. – Dawn Apr 03 '19 at 18:27
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    +1, but I think that it might be constructive for the OP to let the professor know in a non-accusatory way his experience of emotional discomfiture although he intellectually agrees with the motivation. It's possible that with some discussion there could be a positive resolution instead of coming away with the experience that his feelings don't matter. – Elizabeth Henning Apr 03 '19 at 18:31
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    "It sounds like you feel disrespected by the professor’s implicit assumption that some members of your gender...". Already you have a problem. He specifically complained at being categorized into a "flawed" gender that he should take responsibility for at all, rather than being treated as an individual who is just as likely or unlikely to misbehave as any other individual. – A Simple Algorithm Apr 03 '19 at 19:08
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    @ASimpleAlgorithm It sounds like the males of the class, the predominant group, were addressed, not a single individual. – Bryan Krause Apr 03 '19 at 19:21
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    @ASimpleAlgorithm the membership in that group, combined with statistics about that group, shows that that they are not "just as likely or unlikely to misbehave as any other individual" when the "misbehaviour" in question is sexism. – llama Apr 03 '19 at 19:30
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    @llama that sounds like a textbook example of a prejudice. – A Simple Algorithm Apr 03 '19 at 20:00
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    @llama, I thought evidence generally points to sexism acting against women, from both men and women. – Axeman Apr 03 '19 at 20:11
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    @ASimpleAlgorithm can you clarify what you mean by “already you have a problem?” And how is this related to my answer? OP asked if he is justified in being offended. I replied that I personally don’t see why he should be. I’m not invalidating his feelings, just saying I don’t see a reason why he would feel that way. He is of course free to feel offended if that’s his feeling. At the same time, given the real possibility that anyone can be offended at any time by practically anything anyone else does, the fact that he was offended doesn’t mean the professor did anything wrong or “unacceptable”. – Dan Romik Apr 03 '19 at 22:43
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    @DanRomik sorry, I meant the answer has a problem in not answering the question. You accept as a premise something he is offended by. Or at least which he considers a double-standard. He is objecting to being "profiled" as a potential sexist, to put it another way. You are arguing the accuracy of the profiling. – A Simple Algorithm Apr 03 '19 at 23:50
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    @ASimpleAlgorithm good point about profiling. That does make me reconsider what I said a bit. I added some related thoughts to my answer. – Dan Romik Apr 04 '19 at 00:17
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Is such behavior acceptable for a professor?

Yes. This the whole idea of academic freedom (as exemplified by tenure) -- professors should be able to work with uncomfortable issues without worrying about getting fired. I recognize that academic freedom would likely not protect them if they had made similar but politically-incorrect statements, but that's a separate issue.

Should I let the professor know the way I feel?

Depends on the professor. If they are a good professor, there might be an opportunity for discussion and perhaps you would both learn something. But sadly, many professors view this matter as sacrosanct, and will just write you off as a misogynist without allowing an open discussion. (In their defense, many students also broach the matter in a very hostile way..."you hate men" sounds very different than "Some of your comments made me uncomfortable.")

Is my view justified?

Doesn't matter. This is a well-studied, very controversial subject where tempers run hot and everyone thinks they are an expert. Studying such subjects has its place, but I'm assuming you are not currently an expert in gender relations. You're certainly entitled to tell the professor how their comments made you feel, but rather than getting into a debate with your professor, I would suggest you focus on learning STEM.

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    Great answer, especially the second part. You should definitely talk to the professor if you were really made uncomfortable, but don't be accusatory and instead open a dialogue. Also, as far as whether the view is justified, I agree with your answer, but I would also say that OP's feelings are in fact justified, and it may be worth exploring why they have them. – Alex Jones Apr 03 '19 at 22:01
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    "the whole idea of academic freedom " will completely break down if the professor said the opposite, for example, that the low percentage of females in that field doesn't necessarily mean discrimination, there are enough biological differences to cause that women mostly prefer some areas, while men mostly prefer other areas... if the professor said that, in many countries the freedom of speech will no longer apply, and the professor will be fired or harassed or sued. – vsz Apr 04 '19 at 04:25
  • @vsz - I think I made exactly that point in the last sentence of the first part. – cag51 Apr 04 '19 at 05:44
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Girls were always highly appreciated in my university (I studied Applied Physics), and nobody needed to make that explicit. I consider this professor excessively patronizing, and probably sexist if she thinks girls need her help.

Instead, I noticed a minor bias in favor of girls/woman, both in university and later looking for jobs:

  • Most Employers prefer a balance of the genders (those who shared their reasoning with me said that a mix prevents hostile subcultures - men tend to behave more civilized and work harder around women, women tend to pay more attention to detail around men), and because there are many more males who work in the field and apply to jobs, the females are accepted much sooner.
  • While not as enlightened as the previous bullet, boys generally still like girls, which put them in higher demand when forming groups. Some used similar reasoning to the above.
  • To write a good report/document/whatever, you need a variety of viewpoints. Since men and women are different, this is useful. Since women are more scarce.... you get the picture.

I also noticed that girls, in the admittedly to-small-to-be-statistically-relevant case of just my year in my study, tended to get higher marks and drop out less then boys. My personal hypothesis is that it's because they chose the course because they were interested, while some of the guys chose the course because they weren't interested in anything and had to choose something (and therefore were more likely to drop out due to lack of motivation / figuring out there was a more fitting study for them). Therefore, it's ridiculous to assume girls need the protection/encouragement your professor talked about.

Of course, it may depend on the country you're in. Local culture matters a lot. If you'd live in, say, Egypt, I'd consider it perfectly normal to have a speech like that, since the local culture tends to assume that women are somehow inferior (and for the record, I couldn't disagree more).

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    Egypt has a much higher proportion of female physics students than The Netherlands so I don't understand your finaly paragraph. – gerrit Apr 04 '19 at 09:49
  • It was more about general culture in the country then the university in specific. – Gloweye Apr 05 '19 at 07:01
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    FYI, using "girls" rather than "women", is often seen as not a good idea in professional/academic settings. Particularly when the same paragraph uses the adult term for a man. "Boy"/"Girl" are used to describe children, or sometimes used as diminutives for adults. A diminutive is fine if you are flirting with someone, but it can appear somewhat patronising outside of a romantic context. I don't get the impression you mean that, but it might be useful to know about the connotations. – Clumsy cat Dec 06 '21 at 10:29
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    In this answer, I use it mostly to distinguish between students and workforce, using boys and girls to refer to students and men/women to refer to employees. – Gloweye Dec 06 '21 at 11:23
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I don't really see this as some version of reverse discrimination or sexism against the men in the class, STEM fields have been dealing with a gender diversity issue for years now and efforts to curb this are only in their early stages. As someone who is currently pursuing an advanced degree in a STEM field, I tend to be optimistic and say the issues of sexism and discrimination in the sciences are (at least now) primarily implicit and unintentional, but that arguably makes this statement from your professor even more important. It may not have been intended to presume a discriminatory worldview, but instead to assuage any unconscious bias by trying to make students aware of these issues (which again, are salient in STEM fields right now).

I would also say the professor may have thought the warning more necessary given the proportions of the class. To quickly address your reasons point-by-point:

  1. This does address group membership, but there's no way to treat it individually in this environment and it's still an important issue.
  2. This is kind of true, but only because the fields have been male dominated in the past, which is what makes the statements necessary in the first place.
  3. Could have been sexism, but I'd give the professor the benefit of the doubt and think of it more as just an attempt to encourage awareness of this potential issue.
  4. This is a STEM class, therefore the diversity of the STEM fields are a pertinent topic, it may not have been a discussion of Newton's Laws, but that doesn't make it unrelated to the field. Plus, what's 5 or 10 minutes over a semester?
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  • The class as a whole could have been adressed, avoiding picking on any group particularly. 2. If the professor told Asian students to not think higher of themselves, it would be controversial, even though Asian people excell in STEM subjects. 3. See 1. 4. How do students of the class benefit from diversity information?
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    @B.Swan Sounds like the class as a whole was addressed, and the message was "men shouldn't pick on women". If men are indeed picking on women, and not vice versa, it would make no sense to add an additional "and women shouldn't pick on men" just to satisfy some rule about symmetry that you made up in your mind. 2. The thing about Asian students would absolutely make sense if this professor had seen that kind of behaviour. 4. Everyone benefits from being made aware of their biases. It can uncomfortable and I think you are feeling uncomfortable because she called out your bias. – user253751 Apr 03 '19 at 23:46
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    No, the whole class was not adressed, it was prefacedwith "to all male students...". I feel uncomfortable because I was ACCUSED of a bias, not because it was rightfully called. – B.Swan Apr 03 '19 at 23:48
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    @immibis It would make perfect sense to add an additional "and women shouldn't pick on men", because that would make the statement way easier to swallow for the men adressed. – sgf Apr 04 '19 at 10:59
  • @B.Swan are Asian students a majority in your program? – henning Apr 04 '19 at 18:22
  • @henning No. What does being in the majority to do with it? – B.Swan Apr 04 '19 at 18:24
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    @B.Swan well, the difference to your example is that men are the majority and women the minority in your program. – henning Apr 04 '19 at 19:46
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    @sgf Is there a pattern of women picking on / subtly discriminating against men in STEM classes? – user253751 Apr 04 '19 at 20:35
  • @immibis Probably not, and I didn't claim there was either. But adding half a sentence literally makes the experience less unpleasant for about 80% of the class (minus perhaps those who manage not to feel included by sweeping generalizations.) – sgf Apr 04 '19 at 23:27
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    @sgf I'd wager that by making half the class feel less unpleasant, you're also not making them reflect on the situation as much. – user253751 Apr 04 '19 at 23:34