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In light of this answer, why do we say V'imru amen and V'nomar amen at various points in bentching and davening when saying that passage alone? (eg. bentching by yourself, or oseh shalom at the end of one's silent amida) It sounds like these phrases were instituted for scenarios with group participation.

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I would think that it is better, if possible, to incorporate group participation for these things as much as possible. However, even alone, one says "ואמרו אמן" and the like. Why? I will quote R' Yaakov Emden (regarding the phrase said at the end of the Amida to conclude "Elokai N'tzor"), but do not assume that I know what he means:

.ואמרו אמן - אף ביחיד אומרו. כלפי המלאכים המלוים אותו‏
literally: "And say ye amen": even in solitude he says it, toward the angels/messengers who are escorting him.

EDIT: I just found this P'ri Megadim (EA 189:1) who writes (regarding the conclusion of the Harachaman section in Birkas Hamazon) that when alone, one should not recite "ואמרו אמן" or "ונאמר אמן", but rather just "אמן". [It looks like most siddurim don't follow this, though.]

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    Similar idea here in the Rokeach's peirush on tefillah http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=49925&st=&pgnum=381&hilite= – Double AA Feb 02 '12 at 05:41
  • Just to add to this answer. Once we have a text, it takes a lot of public pressure to change it between when saying it alone or saying it to the group. I'm not aware of any times we do that. – avi Feb 02 '12 at 07:22
  • @DoubleAA that Rokeach is, according to the footnote there, quoting the Magen Avraham 66:27 — which doesn't seem to exist. – msh210 Feb 02 '12 at 16:55
  • @msh210 Yes i noticed that. Also, the rokeach lived well before the magen avraham. I assume it's just the footnote guy trying to reference us to someone else who says a similar idea, but failing. – Double AA Feb 02 '12 at 16:57
  • @DoubleAA, my thoughts exactly — unless the Rokeach really is quoting the Magen Avraham (another book of the same title). – msh210 Feb 02 '12 at 16:58
  • @msh210 Note that the MA in that siman does mention derech agav that you do say the amen even beyachid. (I saw this when I looked it up last night but don't remember exactly which seif katan). That's a decent coincidence. – Double AA Feb 02 '12 at 17:07
  • I saw something similar in likutei hapades lerashi that the Malachim cannot understand Aramaic, so we translate yehei shlama rabba into hebrew for them at the end of kaddish. On a basic level, we are talking about malachim because of Oseh Shalom "Bimromav". – רבות מחשבות Jan 31 '18 at 20:17